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Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: hillbilly61 on August 31, 2010, 10:08:41 pm

Title: Tiller Comments Please
Post by: hillbilly61 on August 31, 2010, 10:08:41 pm
Since the heat broke a little, I was able to get out and use some tools and get this one started. 1/4 sawn Hickory.  It's a Holemgaard design. 64" n2n 2" at the fades, 1" at the handle and 3/8" at the tips. 23" at the transition on the limbs from 1" to 1/2"... On the long string I have 40# with 5" string movement. Looking to get 50# @ 27" Oh yea...The tips are IPE

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Title: Re: Tiller Comments Please
Post by: Hrothgar on August 31, 2010, 10:20:27 pm
Hillbilly, its a little hard to tell for sure based on this pic. The left limb is bending slightly more than the right about 8-10" from the center. Is the bow sitting perfectly level on the tillering stick (or could be be slightly angled toward the left side)? Guess you need another opinion or two.
Title: Re: Tiller Comments Please
Post by: adb on August 31, 2010, 10:25:37 pm
It's really hard to tell at this point. Ge it bending some more and re-post some more pics. Being it's a Holmie, I'd get it moving near the fades.   ;D
Title: Re: Tiller Comments Please
Post by: hillbilly61 on August 31, 2010, 11:54:06 pm
 Think if I asked my wife for a "good camera" for Christmas, she would give it early? ;D I'll try to get some better pics tomarrow. I thought I needed to get allot more bending out of the fades, but didn't want to get carried away before asking the experts for advice
Title: Re: Tiller Comments Please
Post by: Josh on August 31, 2010, 11:59:50 pm
also shorten up your long string.  When long string tillering use a string that just barely goes on both nocks without bracing the bow.  Using too long of a tillering string will give you a false sense of tiller and a false sense of the weight too.  Good luck on that Holmie, homey!   ;D  I really look forward to seeing this one come out nice.   :) 
Title: Re: Tiller Comments Please
Post by: half eye on September 01, 2010, 04:38:56 am
Actually, for these kinds of bows you are right where ya should be (early stages). Sent some tips by PM and if ya like call if I aint too clear.....glad to help with the rest of the tiller if ya want.
rich
Title: Re: Tiller Comments Please
Post by: hillbilly61 on September 01, 2010, 07:14:33 am
    Rich...PM sent

    Josh...TY  I look forward to getting one completly too ;D  The last 2 ended up in the wood pile for kindling :( But I did learn a few things from them ;) but jaust aint been able to get out with this heat >:(
Title: Re: Tiller Comments Please
Post by: George Tsoukalas on September 01, 2010, 10:49:21 am
I go for 5 # over target weight at 10 in of string movement using a long string that's about 1.5 times bow length. Your stave looks good. May be get a bit more movement mid limb on. Jawge
Title: Re: Tiller Comments Please
Post by: George Tsoukalas on September 01, 2010, 10:50:21 am
There are buildalongs on my site. Jawge
Title: Re: Tiller Comments Please
Post by: George Tsoukalas on September 01, 2010, 10:50:44 am
Oops.
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Title: Re: Tiller Comments Please
Post by: bambule on September 01, 2010, 01:44:49 pm
your Möllegabet-Shoulder is very short so you got lots of limb to bend. As the others said before - brace the beast at a short height and show again ;-)
Title: Re: Tiller Comments Please
Post by: hillbilly61 on September 04, 2010, 08:51:42 pm
Here is the final tiller (I hope) It's pulling 45 @ 26

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Title: Re: Tiller Comments Please
Post by: NTD on September 05, 2010, 03:56:24 am
I've never made a Molle before but I've stared at a bunch of them :D, so take my advice lightly.  It seems for that type of bow that you could get the inner limbs working more. 
Title: Re: Tiller Comments Please
Post by: walkabout on September 05, 2010, 11:35:23 am
i agree with ntd inner limb looks like it needs to catch up with the area just before the stiff limb portion. careful of that area right before the stiff tip fades or you may hinge it.
Title: Re: Tiller Comments Pleasenew pic added
Post by: hillbilly61 on September 05, 2010, 05:01:19 pm
Is this any better?

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Title: Re: Tiller Comments Please
Post by: NTD on September 05, 2010, 05:05:05 pm
hmm, can't tell the difference LOL.  How's it shoot?  That's what really matters, right?
Title: Re: Tiller Comments Please
Post by: hillbilly61 on September 05, 2010, 05:26:13 pm
 Don't know. Was waiting to see if the tiller was better...lol  I took allot off. Especially in the fade area. I'll go out and shoot then let ya know ;)
Title: Re: Tiller Comments Please
Post by: walkabout on September 05, 2010, 05:53:28 pm
its lookin better. if its close to your desired weight take it out and shoot it and then tweak final tiller after youve put some arrows out from it.
Title: Re: Tiller Comments Please
Post by: hillbilly61 on September 05, 2010, 06:18:51 pm
Shoots fast and flat. Straighter with one end up  better than the other. Where does it need to be tweaked? I have such a hard time seeing it after it gets close  :(
Title: Re: Tiller Comments Please
Post by: El Destructo on September 05, 2010, 07:42:26 pm
I would say that if it needs anything...it would be a little more off of the left Limb...but if it were mine...I would say Good...and shoot the Piss out of It....JMO
Title: Re: Tiller Comments Please
Post by: walkabout on September 05, 2010, 09:43:42 pm
if it shoots better with one limb up make that one the top limb, tiller can sometimes change overtime so being able to flip a bow over and shoot is sometimes a good thing. if it shoots good thats what is important, so long as youre happy with it.