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Title: "Two Tips" (not for BOM)
Post by: Pat B on July 08, 2010, 01:25:42 am
Some of you guys might remember this bow. I built it two years ago and it was going to be my primary hunting bow. Choke cherry bark backing, osage static recurve with bendy handle.  had bought a stave from Yazoo's Dad at Hickory, NC. This stave had been cut a month before. I had this bow built and shooting in less than 3 months off the stump. After about 100 shots I saw frets in the belly. I'm sure it is because I didn't allow the wood to dry long enough. I unstrung her with hopes of fixing her later.
  At Hickory this year David Knight gave me 2 Argentine osage slats so I ground down the belly and added the slats with Urac. You can see the difference in color of the two osages. After retillering she came out at 55#@26"(original, 47#@26") and shoots very well.
  Here are a few pics...

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Post by: Pat B on July 08, 2010, 01:31:53 am
Here are a few more pics of the recurves and tips. Also better shots of the cherry bark backing.
  One of the original elk antler tip overlays came off and instead of trying to make a match I opted to use bison horn instead...hence "Two Tips". I have this bow set up to shoot no matter which end is up.

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Title: Re: "Two Tips" (not for BOM)
Post by: bigcountry on July 08, 2010, 01:40:44 am
YOu are the master of the recycle.  Didn't know a person could do that.  Well done.
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Post by: burnt on July 08, 2010, 01:42:00 am
nice job. that is a beuatiful bow.
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Post by: Diligence on July 08, 2010, 01:42:48 am
as my young employees tell me...that's sick!

great looking bow Pat.

J
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Post by: gmc on July 08, 2010, 01:50:56 am
That's pretty sweet right there. Guess you are making us wait on the full draw.  :-\
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Post by: medicinewheel on July 08, 2010, 02:09:24 am
Great rebuild!
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Post by: Thwackaddict on July 08, 2010, 02:27:29 am
Hats off to a excellent job!What kind of thread do you use for your wraps?
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Post by: koan on July 08, 2010, 03:30:34 am
Great save there Pat
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Post by: Pappy on July 08, 2010, 06:28:27 am
Good save and a beautiful bow.Nice work.
   Pappy
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Post by: TRACY on July 08, 2010, 10:01:56 am
Very nicely done Pat. Looks like a meat stick to me, good luck with the deer this fall!

Tracy
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Post by: George Tsoukalas on July 08, 2010, 10:02:11 am
That is just fantastic. The bow is gorgeous. Jawge
Title: Re: "Two Tips" (not for BOM)
Post by: profsaffel on July 08, 2010, 10:23:45 am
I like the tips...  ;D

What? Sorry, I'm a 'tips' guy.  ;)
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Post by: aero86 on July 08, 2010, 10:37:17 am
i like it!  what is the length?
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Post by: Josh on July 08, 2010, 10:40:58 am
Awesome Bow Pat!  I've always wondered if one could be saved that way... the different colored slats for the belly wood definitely adds to its appeal and beauty.  And it all comes together with the different types of horn for the tips... Great save man!  That is one of the coolest bows I have seen in awhile.   8)
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Post by: Scowler on July 08, 2010, 11:12:26 am
Excellent repair job.  I hope the bows shoots well for you for many years.
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Post by: youngbowyer33 on July 08, 2010, 11:20:32 am
looks great!
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Post by: Hillbilly on July 08, 2010, 01:12:44 pm
Looks good Pat, nice frankensteinification. :)
Title: Re: "Two Tips" (not for BOM)
Post by: bowkee on July 08, 2010, 01:32:48 pm
hard to beat that Pat, I sure learn a lot from from You. :)
Title: Re: "Two Tips" (not for BOM)
Post by: Pat B on July 08, 2010, 09:00:01 pm
Thanks everyone! I was pretty bummed out when this bow fretted. It was a bit lighter than I'd planned but it was shooting well when I noticed the frets. I hated to do it but into the corner of shame she went. Her exile lasted almost 2 years. I finally got the materials(thanks David) together and some advise so All I needed was to do it. Sometimes that is the hardest part.  ;D
  Gotta go eat supper so I'll be back later!  ;)
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Post by: Postman on July 08, 2010, 09:34:48 pm
Sweet bow - kudos on the ingenuity!
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Post by: Catahoula on July 08, 2010, 09:47:30 pm
Hi Pat,

Awesome bow.

Rand
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Post by: mullet on July 08, 2010, 10:48:24 pm
 Great save, Pat. That bow looks darn good.
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Post by: Jesse on July 08, 2010, 11:34:59 pm
Looks real good Pat. I did that with ipe on a hickory bow with good results. Amazing how little wood it takes to stiffen it up.
Title: Re: "Two Tips" (not for BOM)
Post by: Pat B on July 08, 2010, 11:45:13 pm
You are right Jesse. Very little wood and a glue line.  ;)
Someone was asking about bending the tips. I use a heat gun and olive oil(smells goooood). I clamp the tip in the form, apply the oil(belly and sides only) and start heating. I know when it is ready to bend when gravity starts the process. I like to leave the tips a bit wide so I can make adjustments later if needed and I think you get a more stable bend with wider tips.
 Steve, the bow isn't wide enough or I'd call her that!  ;D
aero, 60"t/t
Title: Re: "Two Tips" (not for BOM)
Post by: Marc St Louis on July 08, 2010, 11:53:14 pm
Nice bow Pat.  Not to often you hear of Osage fretting but I have had it happen to me the odd time.
Title: Re: "Two Tips" (not for BOM)
Post by: Pat B on July 08, 2010, 11:58:22 pm
Thanks Marc. This is only my second osage bow to fret. I'm convinced it was the uncured wood that couldn't take the stress. This bow was less than 3 months off the stump. The other one was also an osage recurve with a raw silk backing. I was told that raw silk can overpower a bow like boo if tiller ain't just right.  ::)
Title: Re: "Two Tips" (not for BOM)
Post by: Parnell on July 09, 2010, 12:01:00 am
Very interesting bow, Pat.  I think this may be the first example of this type of process I've seen.  It looks real good, just kinda like another growth ring or something.  Do you think you could do a full draw picture with this bow, sometime and post?  I'm kinda struck with how low your handle area is on this bow.  I know you said it's bendy handle but I'm kinda curious to see how much.  
Anyhow, that looks like a great hunting bow to me!
Title: Re: "Two Tips" (not for BOM)
Post by: Pat B on July 09, 2010, 12:10:41 am
Parnell, I'll get a full draw pic as soon as I can get my wife to take it!  ;D
  This process is like adding a growth ring. And they say you can take it off but you can't add it back!  ;D
  I added leather to the back and belly of the handle area, shaped it to fit my hand and added the wrap. As I approach full draw I can feel it bending in the handle.
  I'm hoping to find out just how good of a hunting bow she is this fall. I've been shooting 600gr to 650gr cane and tapered ash arrows and she delivers them with authority. 
Title: Re: "Two Tips" (not for BOM)
Post by: ricktrojanowski on July 12, 2010, 10:09:09 pm
Very nice,  Great "redux"  It is a real beauty I love the bark backing.  Good luck this season with it.
Title: Re: "Two Tips" (not for BOM)
Post by: TBod on July 13, 2010, 04:08:12 pm
Very nice!

Not sure I understand it correct. Did you glue on a thin piece of Osage from the fades to about 2/3 of the limb belly side? Not on the handle right because of the taper in thickness at the fades?
Title: Re: "Two Tips" (not for BOM)
Post by: Pat B on July 13, 2010, 04:48:27 pm
TBod, The Argentine osage slats I added to the belly butts together at the handle and ran to the recurves until I re-tillered the bow. I added a thin piece of ERC over that joint to secure it and to pack out the handle a bit on the belly. I used leather to pack out on the back. You can see the ERC sticking out from under the handle wrap on the belly. This bow bends in the handle at full draw.
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Post by: n2huntn on July 13, 2010, 05:52:14 pm
Very good looking weapon, I hope it makes a lot of meat for you.
Jeff
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Post by: TBod on July 14, 2010, 06:36:56 am
Ok now I understand, thanks!