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Main Discussion Area => Flintknapping => Topic started by: aaron on June 08, 2010, 12:40:57 pm

Title: square section adventures
Post by: aaron on June 08, 2010, 12:40:57 pm
some recent attempts: a square-section axe blank, stitching practice on a piece of g'dacite, and remember that little dagger that leaping bare said i could stitch?- i overshot my second ever stitchflake!and a photo of one by waldorf...

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Title: Re: square section adventures
Post by: aaron on June 08, 2010, 12:46:27 pm
for those unfarmiliar with this sort of knapping, it originates in sweden, denmark and germany. rather than bifaces, they would knap quadrifaces or trifaces. the axe blanks were ground smooth and used to chop down trees. later, this square cross section technique was applied to the handles of daggers.
the pieces above are my first attempts...
Title: Re: square section adventures
Post by: Stoker on June 08, 2010, 12:48:41 pm
Cool axes
Thanks Leroy
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Post by: cowboy on June 08, 2010, 01:12:21 pm
That's cool! Something i've never attempted. Bet you'll be showing some daggers soon.
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Post by: leapingbare on June 08, 2010, 02:54:38 pm
Your doing it!
 I have a few daggers that ended up like that :)
your square sections look good. Keep it up!
Title: Re: square section adventures
Post by: aaron on June 08, 2010, 04:54:44 pm
after turning some riley dacite into square gravel, i decided to try the real thing- swedish flint. small, but tolerably square, so i ground the bit. by the way originals of these were anywhere from 4-16 inches with most around 6-8.

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Title: Re: square section adventures
Post by: leapingbare on June 08, 2010, 07:07:04 pm
heck ya! thats killer!!
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Post by: n2everythg on June 08, 2010, 07:08:20 pm
cool. really interesting. Keep it up and post some more pics.
thanks
wade
Title: Re: square section adventures
Post by: aaron on June 22, 2010, 01:49:30 pm
here are my latest attempts...
1.a triface  object ( 3-sided) made from an obsidian needle. not an attempt at replicating anything old, just practice.
2. a type II dagger, rainbow obsidian. these are supposed to be thickest at the end of the handle, but i keep overshooting the ridge on these handles.
3. then i had to make a clovis to make myself feel better. Made from what Riggs called "ca-ca" obsidian (grey-green silver sheen)

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Title: Re: square section adventures
Post by: leapingbare on June 22, 2010, 02:51:14 pm
Wish i still had all the weird stuff i ended up with after practicing. Keep it up!
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Post by: jamie on June 23, 2010, 07:02:27 am
thats pretty damn impressive
Title: Re: square section adventures
Post by: ozy clint on June 24, 2010, 10:41:16 am
good work mate. you should be getting something in the post from me shortly. i sent it about 2 weeks ago.
Title: Re: square section adventures
Post by: aaron on June 24, 2010, 01:02:35 pm
ok clint- let's see some pics of what you have made!
Title: Re: square section adventures
Post by: aaron on June 25, 2010, 01:45:24 am
my latest project is a type 3A dagger. these daggers come in six types . each type is divided into subtypes a,b,c,d,...
the 3a has a thick handle (as thick as it is wide) , but no stitching.
it's counter intuitive to try to keep the handle thick . easy to accidentally thin it.
also it's hard to transition between the thick handle (1:1) and the thin blade (1:4 or better) without creating a concavity that stops flakes.
leapingbare: when i try to narrow the handle near the pommel, my flakes want to run up the edge, taking of part of the flat pommel- how do i keep them on the handle face and not wrapping over the pommel edge? do i need to really yaw them away from the pommel, or what?

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Title: Re: square section adventures
Post by: ozy clint on June 25, 2010, 04:23:19 am
it's just a water buffalo horn. you show us what you make from it. LOL
Title: Re: square section adventures
Post by: aaron on June 25, 2010, 03:59:26 pm
ok i finished it. this one started out as a huge spall of riley dacite about 16 inches long. At first i tried to knap a foot-long salmon out of it, but ran into issues... so i burinated the tail off the half-formed salmon in order to create a square pommel for the dagger. the handle is just over an inch in width and thickness (1:1), the blade is about 2.5 inches wide and just over 1/2 inch thick at the widepoint (1:5). over all it is 9.5 inches long. the blade was mostly done with antler billets and copper pressure. the handle was done with a porphry hammerstone ( kinda like a quartzite with speckles of white- as seen in emory strong collections). Once the handle got to about 2:1, i used an antler sleeved copper punch and copper ishi stick. Also, mistakes were made and hand grinding was done (just rubbed it on a grinder wheel). Like many originals this one has a stranded grinding patch or two. I cannot fathom making this out of real flint!
clint- i got your package- thanks very much that horn is huge!

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Title: Re: square section adventures
Post by: aaron on July 31, 2010, 12:09:22 pm
a couple more scandanavian style pieces: the biface is a=called a "dolkstave" (don't know what that even means)- they're supposed to be thicker and larger all around. does anyone have edge view pics of one of these or any more info on them?
the axe was made by Ron Macey at a recent class we co-taught.
both pieces are obsidian

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Title: Re: square section adventures
Post by: Wolfsongforge on August 03, 2010, 12:03:32 pm
Aaron it means ( roughly) dagger stick or rod shaped dagger