Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: Chad Bower on June 02, 2010, 04:46:09 pm
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Ive advertised this before but still feel it worth asking.Im looking for a yew self bow..anyone have any leads ?
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Have you tried Ted Fry at Raptor Archery?
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Checked there ...is $800.00 a fare price ?
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Well, think about it. A decent piece of yew for making a warbow will cost you $200. Thats the stave alone.
A decent piece of yew to make an ELB or flatbow would run you 100 easy.
I think 800 is a little steep. $400 would be fair. Maybe.
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Dang, If only you were in the UK I could custom build you a nice ELB at a very good price.
I only do one or two a year, but I've got some real nice staves which will be seasoned next year.
Del
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Bigcountry- I figure it takes me 30-40 hours or so to make a bow. This includes cutting and splitting wood, sealing, making, and finish work (for me the slowest part). Professionals, and most others I guess, are much quicker. I've never sold a bow, though I have traded a few. I'm not sure how someone could make a bow at my pace and make a living. $400 for a bow, with the wood costing $100 in your example sounds very cheap to me. My wife would be thrilled if I sold my bows for half that just to get rid of them, and I've seen people with MANY more ;D
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Hmmm, that is part of the question isn't it? What's labor worth?
I don't know, $800 for a professionally made bow seems to be about where most are at. No true guarantees with a wood bow either.
Is there a reason why it must be a Yew bow?
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Is a $400 dollar yew bow a fair price , or an insult?
The stave costs (or is valued) at $200 dollars, say. The bowyer takes 30 hours to build, test, and finish the bow. That comes out to a bit over $6 an hour you are paying him for his craft and the years it took to learn it, the tools and overhead, etc. Might as well just flip burgers – it pays better. At $800 dollars for a yew bow, the guy is only making $20 bucks an hour.
Dane
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Is a $400 dollar yew bow a fair price , or an insult?
The stave costs (or is valued) at $200 dollars, say. The bowyer takes 30 hours to build, test, and finish the bow. That comes out to a bit over $6 an hour you are paying him for his craft and the years it took to learn it, the tools and overhead, etc. Might as well just flip burgers – it pays better. At $800 dollars for a yew bow, the guy is only making $20 bucks an hour.
Dane
Puts it all into perspective, doesn't it?
It's a very difficult thing to do, putting a price on blood, sweat and anguish...
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Is a $400 dollar yew bow a fair price , or an insult?
The stave costs (or is valued) at $200 dollars, say. The bowyer takes 30 hours to build, test, and finish the bow. That comes out to a bit over $6 an hour you are paying him for his craft and the years it took to learn it, the tools and overhead, etc. Might as well just flip burgers – it pays better. At $800 dollars for a yew bow, the guy is only making $20 bucks an hour.
Dane
For a professional bowyer, I think 30 hours may be too excessive. Me, yes. But if I did it every day, I would say its more on the lines of 20 hours. I do know someone in WA who makes ELB's but hesitate to give out his name as he told me he is too busy to take new business. He does it for a hobby. He says he counts on 20-24 hours for an ELB. He harvests his own yew however. He charges around 400 for one.
I mean guys, folks who do this for a living I can't imagine do it to get rich. If they want to make a lot of money, join the office rat race like the rest of us, and be content being miserable working, hating commuting and going into work every day, and only working to do the things you love. Instead of working doing what you love.
Its kinda funny, my boss is currently retiring. On the side he has a full saw mill, a few log trucks, and cranes, and a full shop. For a hobby for over 2 decades he makes furniture. Now, in electronics as a director, he pulls down easy 140K a year. He was telling me what he will be bringing in doing high end furnature and I explained I felt so bad for him. He looked at me and told me, "never feel sorry for someone doing what they love".
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$800 hundred sound cheap I have seen 3 bow selling for $1200 :o and they are not yew but they do have snake skin on them so that might explain that.
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Chad, I'm working on two right now. If I ever get time to finish them I'll give you a shout. And I have a friend that builds Flintlock rifles and yew ELB take-downs, he has no trouble getting $1500 for the bows.
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Chad, I'm working on two right now. If I ever get time to finish them I'll give you a shout. And I have a friend that builds Flintlock rifles and yew ELB take-downs, he has no trouble getting $1500 for the bows.
Goodness, where do people get all this money? With kids and wife, no way I could look my wife in the eye and tell her I gave 1500 for a yew bow.
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Is a $400 dollar yew bow a fair price , or an insult?
The stave costs (or is valued) at $200 dollars, say. The bowyer takes 30 hours to build, test, and finish the bow. That comes out to a bit over $6 an hour you are paying him for his craft and the years it took to learn it, the tools and overhead, etc. Might as well just flip burgers – it pays better. At $800 dollars for a yew bow, the guy is only making $20 bucks an hour.
Dane
For a professional bowyer, I think 30 hours may be too excessive. Me, yes. But if I did it every day, I would say its more on the lines of 20 hours. I do know someone in WA who makes ELB's but hesitate to give out his name as he told me he is too busy to take new business. He does it for a hobby. He says he counts on 20-24 hours for an ELB. He harvests his own yew however. He charges around 400 for one.
I mean guys, folks who do this for a living I can't imagine do it to get rich. If they want to make a lot of money, join the office rat race like the rest of us, and be content being miserable working, hating commuting and going into work every day, and only working to do the things you love. Instead of working doing what you love.
Its kinda funny, my boss is currently retiring. On the side he has a full saw mill, a few log trucks, and cranes, and a full shop. For a hobby for over 2 decades he makes furniture. Now, in electronics as a director, he pulls down easy 140K a year. He was telling me what he will be bringing in doing high end furnature and I explained I felt so bad for him. He looked at me and told me, "never feel sorry for someone doing what they love".
Big, even though you do it for the love of it shouldn't mean making pennies for your work. Money is not the only goal in life for most of us here, but still, Johnson said only a fool writes for free, and he was right.
I dated an actress once. She was killing herself and still starviing trying to land stage roles. She went to a party, and was talking to a physican who made a huge amount of money. When he found out what she did, he said he envied her life, and wished he could trade.
Dane
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Big, I had a coworker ask me about building a bow for his 12 year old son. The first thing out of his mouth was how much it would cost and he didn't want to spend a lot. I told him I'd think on it and get back to him, (That's a common ploy used by engineers and lawyers when they don't know what to say) ;)
I was sooo happy today when he asked me again and thought I could build his son a Compound. I directed him to the Bass shopping center up the road that has a Pro shop. He could get a compound youth bow for him there, cheaper then I could build him a bow. It's for school and that's what they have to shoot. I'll win him over for free if he get's into shooting.
Also, people that can afford custom built Flintlocks can afford $1500 bows. That's about the same price as a tricked out Martin Compound, I think.
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Big, I had a coworker ask me about building a bow for his 12 year old son. The first thing out of his mouth was how much it would cost and he didn't want to spend a lot. I told him I'd think on it and get back to him, (That's a common ploy used by engineers and lawyers when they don't know what to say) ;)
I was sooo happy today when he asked me again and thought I could build his son a Compound. I directed him to the Bass shopping center up the road that has a Pro shop. He could get a compound youth bow for him there, cheaper then I could build him a bow. It's for school and that's what they have to shoot. I'll win him over for free if he get's into shooting.
Also, people that can afford custom built Flintlocks can afford $1500 bows. That's about the same price as a tricked out Martin Compound, I think.
I can't afford either. Only reason I like trad shooting is the building and shooting. I myself couldn't imagine paying. Espeically 8 bills to someone to do it for me. I mean my bows suck. I got one I feel is a hunter. And I hunt with it. And it has its issues. But if I just wanted a bow that kills, I would buy a 300 dollar compound.
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Big, even though you do it for the love of it shouldn't mean making pennies for your work. Money is not the only goal in life for most of us here, but still, Johnson said only a fool writes for free, and he was right.
I agree, hey if you can get some rich dude with more money than he knows what to do with to fork over 8 bills for a bow, all I can say is God bless ya. You the man.
But if you are making pennies doing what you love, don't come crying to me when I hate what I do to do what I love. Crabbers here in MD cry the freakin blues all day about how little they make. I look em all in the eye, and tell em, I don't want to hear it. I tell em, you want to change your life, get back into college, get an engineering degree and sit in traffic with the rest of us rats every day.
We all make our choices in life and we all have to sit in that bed we made. I have.
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Cheers Del I'll taske 2!!! Dont they have Yew on the west coast. I dont know why someone would pay $800 for a strip of wood. I can give u a whole truck load of staves for $800. Dont get me wrong to each their own. I know it is amazing wood to use but that is a bit much.
AA
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I think 800.00 seem's pretty cheap to me, One thing for sure you ant going to get rich building selfbows.I have had a lot of folks wanting me to build them one, I will sometimes for free but
cost ,I just can't figure out what they are worth so had rather not sell them. The money I spend of my archery stuff and hunting is money I make on the side in different ventures,so I don't have to look her in the eye bigcountry. ;) ;D ;D I had a guy at a shoot in MI. worry me the whole week about building him a bow and what I would charge, After a few day's of that he finely ask if you did build me one what would you charge,I shot him a price of 400.00,thinking I would get rid of him
He said when can you start before I got 400.00 out of my mouth good,That is when you KNOW
you priced it to cheap. :) :)
Pappy
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I am at both ends of the spectrum. On one hand I just got paid two bucks an hour for an English Longbow for a 13 yr old kid in Minnesota. He shovelled sidewalks all winter for the cashAND I threw in a guarantee that if the bow breaks and he wasn't at fault, I will replace it at no cost.
On the other hand, I just inked a contract with an Armorer for the film industry for a set of Sioux horse bows and I'll be making $40 an hour for the time it takes to crank them out. Pity he only wants a few bows for now. Oh, and before you feel sorry for this poor guy trying to make a living and frown at me for "putting the screws" to him, just remember that the last 12 bows he bought were purchased at 3x the price that I asked. Yeah, that's right. And if that ain't enough, the "traditional" bows that he purchased at that price all broke during two days of filming! Betcha mine don't break like that!
All that being said, the average person, be they a kid or grown-a@@ man, comes to me to build them a bow can expect me to cut them a pretty sweet deal because I wanna see more people out there shooting full traditional stuff. Even better, I'd rather have them come over in the evenings and scrape shavings with me so they can make their own. And for those of you out there trying to make a living at this, I don't begrudge you a bit, get anything you can for a bow.