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Title: Good shrubs for arrows?
Post by: The Gopher on May 04, 2010, 01:08:02 pm
I'd like to plant some shrubs around my fence to spruce the yard up a bit. i figure i might as well plant some useful shrubs that can be used for arrows, might as well grow my own!

I was thinking Red Osier and some type of viburnum. What type of viburnum is the best for arrows? any other suggestions?

I live in MN, zone 4, thanks, Dan.   
Title: Re: Good shrubs for arrows?
Post by: jthompson1995 on May 04, 2010, 01:15:31 pm
Arrowwood Viburnum comes to mind quickly, Viburnum dentatum. It's not the most showy viburnum but does get attractive flowers, blue berries and got its name since it has been used by native americans for arrow shafts. It is hardy to Zone 2 so you should be fine. It can get to a lrge size but if you keep it well trimmed for arrow shafts you should be able to keep it in control.
Title: Re: Good shrubs for arrows?
Post by: aero86 on May 04, 2010, 01:27:07 pm
yes, that stuff works well.  or privet is what i used to use before i switched to bamboo/cane
Title: Re: Good shrubs for arrows?
Post by: Pat B on May 04, 2010, 07:39:32 pm
Privet can be very invasive. The birds like the berries and distribute the seeds. I have a privet with irrigated, white and green leaves that doesn't produce berries. It will get 12' to 15' tall and across.
  Many of the viburnums grow shoots and I'd bet most would be good for arrows...as well as flowers and berries for the landscape.
Title: Re: Good shrubs for arrows?
Post by: aznboi3644 on May 05, 2010, 12:50:33 am
A lot of our landscaping customers have a lot of big viburnum bushes.

I've been collecting shoots for a couple weeks...they make VERY strong arrow shafts...it is a very hard wood when dry.  But when freshly cut they may seem like limp noodles.

What I have noticed though is the varying density depending on location in town.  The first arrow I made was very dense and narrow for its spine...but some other shoots I've collected are 5/16 to 3/8 with a large spine difference between same diameter shoots.  Maybe some heat treating will stiffen things up a bit.

But so far I will be using viburnum shafts for all my shoot arrows...virtually unbreakable...I've shot some straight into a concrete wall to test the durablity and the tip just crushes a little bit...no splitting or breaking so far.
Title: Re: Good shrubs for arrows?
Post by: AncientArcher76 on May 05, 2010, 01:38:24 am
I have viburnum bushes all over my property but dont utilize them much... I used to work in a greenhouse and I ordered chinese arrow bamboo...it was awesome its an evassive plant which means u plant one and a million keep sprouting.  It will grow in -30 degree to over 100 in the sun...  check it out its also very ornamental.

Russ
Title: Re: Good shrubs for arrows?
Post by: aero86 on May 05, 2010, 10:42:50 am
where did you order that bamboo from?
Title: Re: Good shrubs for arrows?
Post by: The Gopher on May 05, 2010, 03:37:39 pm
we should be careful about planting invasive species, look what buckthorn has done.
Title: Re: Good shrubs for arrows?
Post by: jonathan creason on May 05, 2010, 08:08:14 pm
My wife bought a shrub a while back that has thorns and is full of red berries (supposedly the berries were used in our wedding) in the winter.  Anybody know what it might be, and if it would be useful for arrows?  Just wondering, because I hate to trim that thing, but if I can get some arrows out of it I might be able to force myself to do it.
Title: Re: Good shrubs for arrows?
Post by: DanaM on May 05, 2010, 09:08:12 pm
Could be Japenese barberry nasty shrup that is becoming invasive here in the UP of Michigan >:(
Title: Re: Good shrubs for arrows?
Post by: jthompson1995 on May 05, 2010, 09:48:42 pm
If it's barberry, the wood will be bright yellow like osage when you cut it. It's invasive in lots of areas.
Title: Re: Good shrubs for arrows?
Post by: jonathan creason on May 05, 2010, 10:23:24 pm
I don't think the wood was yellow, but I'd have to go cut some more to be sure.  It doesn't seem to be spreading from root sprouts or anything, and I haven't noticed any popping up from the berries around.  It's tougher than a pine knot, though.  I sprayed the crap out of it with glyphosate 2 weeks ago, and it's still green as a gourd.
Title: Re: Good shrubs for arrows?
Post by: Pat B on May 06, 2010, 12:23:31 am
A pic is worth a thousand words.  ;)
Title: Re: Good shrubs for arrows?
Post by: AncientArcher76 on May 06, 2010, 12:54:09 am
Well if you keep it under control it take years for it to get out of hand.  If u were to plant it in a flower box a bucket or a contained area u would be fine for invasive species.  Now if u dug a hole and planted it and went to prison for 20 years I would say "Houston we have a problem"... ::)  I dont remember the exact site but it was like Bamboo.com or something it was from a specialist in South Carolina...have a good day!

Russ
Title: Re: Good shrubs for arrows?
Post by: jonathan creason on May 06, 2010, 09:30:06 am
I'll try to get a pic later.  I guess I could ask my wife if she remembers, too  :D.