Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Primitive Skills => Topic started by: Pat B on March 27, 2010, 06:02:20 pm
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I've been messing around with making a few basket quivers. I made a trade with a guy from another site. He sent me a box full of basket making materials and I made him a basket quiver. It took me a few tries before I made one I wanted to send him. The smallest quiver(red) was my first and I think they improved from there. The one I made for him is the next to the last with the accent bands at the top. On the last 2 I used choke cherry bark for accent strips. Straps are adjustable to insure a good fit. These are back quivers except the smaller red one and I made it as a side quiver.
A few of these may show up at the Classic. ;)
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Pat, they're wonderful!
Would you use them as they are or would you recommend a little internal padding to keep the noise down?
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Thanks, Hatch.
I put a leather disc in the bottom of each to protect it from the points. A fur or leather collar would help with noise but I didn't add that. It would probably be easy to do.
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Now I'll have to try to get to the classic if only for a day trip. Too many nice things to see, good work.
Question, are these quivers quiet or do arrows rattle. I hunt from the ground a lot and am interested in a more traditional quiver.
N2
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Darn, those are nice Pat!I've been wanting to make one for a while...sed to make baskets (from scratch, e.g. harvet the wood make the ribs etc) years ago. Spec once I get back on my feet I'll have to dive into that..
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You are the man Pat.
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Man I like them Pat if you have any materials left think you could demonstarte at the Classic? I would like to learn how to weave :)
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Pat
Those are great. The last one is outstanding. Very nice work.
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Look Sweet Pat......thats another Hobby I need to pick up on........ ;)
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Hey guys, Thanks. My wife made baskets years ago but had to stop due to carpel tunnel problems so I had some ideas of the process and I had her around to give me pointers. It has been fun and I will continue with it as long as my interest is peaked and the materials hold out. I did buy new materials because what was in the trade box wasn't quite what I needed to complete the quivers. I also have a friend that makes baskets and I got some pointers and emergency supplies that I needed.
Dana, I'd be pleased to do a build along at the Classic. Only problem is having enough materials for individual, hands on lessons. A few areas of the basket making process can be complicated like at the the beginning and the end. The middle part is repetitious and except for maintaining proper tension so the tube stays symmetrical only a bit of concentration is necessary. Once someone gets the jest of the process it can be done while watching TV in the evening as you relax. I can surely show you, or whoever, the principles and a few tricks to get you started.
vtclimber, I would eventually like to use more natural, local materials. For one thing I think it looks better. Just adding the cherry bark to these last two quivers really set them off from the others.
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Sounds good Pat, we have black ash up here and it was used traditionally for baskets and such, you pound it and it seperates along the growth rings.
I'd also think the principles of weaving would also apply for things like willow and spruce root
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Dana, I'm sure the principals are all related but different materials take different techniques and amounts of prep work. That will be the fun part of using more natural materials and working out the methods.
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Pat.....I have seen some made from Yucca Plant Leaves....and they were really nice looking
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Pat, using local materials is always fun (but hell, you and everyone else on here knows that). I made a magazine basket for my mother about 17 years ago, and she still has it. Went from hickory tree to basket lol. Making the ribs and strips is a lot of fun to say the least. I have really been diggin the basket quivers and those are a good excuse to make a few lol.
Dave
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Traditionally split white oak was used around here by the settlers. The Cherokee used split river cane and made baskets so tight you could cook with them using hot rocks inside as the heat source. In Coastal SC and GA the Gullah people (slaves and descendants of slaves) used long leaf yellow pine needles and palmetto fronds to make beautiful coiled baskets. Honeysuckle and grape vines have been used in the past and today as well as willow and other whitey type materials.
When my wife was making baskets she used mostly store bought materials but also incorporated natural materials she found in the woods or along the the rivers and beaches of SC as well as grape vines.
n2huntn, as far as hunting with these quivers I'm sure primitive man did and some folks today also but you would have to control the noisy quality of the basket. A soft lining or a fur collar around the top lip would work for this. I have even used a thong across the top opening and sometimes two to separate the arrows while in the quiver.
Wade(n2everything) made a GFA type quiver last year by weaving river cane for the hood and using the cane to hold the arrow grabber.
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Thanks Mr Pat,
Sounds like another hobby in the making for me.
N2
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Yea, like any of us need a new hobby! ::) ;D
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Great job Pat I like em
Ron
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Beautiful work on those quivers Pat.
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Those are sweet Pat,I don't know how I missed them.Very nice work. :)
Pappy
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Those are really nice Pat!
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Great work Pat!
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Thanks guys. I'm enjoying my new hobby. ;D
Pappy, I'll be bringing a few to the Classic.
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Wow Pat! Those are beautiful. Are you going to do a build along here on PA? Wish I could make the Classic with you guys this year. I will be there next year though.
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David, I was gonna do a build along for Dana at the classic so maybe we can get some pics of that. The difficult parts of basket making are hard to show in pics but we will give it a try.
Sorry you won't be making the Classic. We'll see ya'll next year. ;)
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Cool Pat, now I need to borrow a camera, maybe I can win a Nobel for Photo Journalism eh ;D
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Wow, build-along would be great!
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Pat, I think you have found your niche! Very nice work son! Looking forward to seeing them them in person.
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Dana, I planned to bring my camera anyway so we can use it.
Frank and Tim, I'm sure with all the talented folks here, yourselves included, basket quivers will be easy for most to accomplish with good results. Like I said, the beginning and the end are the most difficult parts to master but keeping constant and proper tension as you weave the body of the quiver is a learned talent that comes with repetition. You can see in the quivers I made that the tube is not even and straight. Each in better than the one before but it takes a few to get the hang of it.
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Just awesome Pat! I've been wanting to learn that myself. I think they'd be a whole lot cooler down here during the wet season.
I've been thinking about trying to use split bamboo and some other things that grow down this way...
Inspiring, to say the least. Looking forward to seeing more of them.
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Those are great lookin quivers. Looks like lots of work. I'll have to watch when you and Dana do one.
VB
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I really like those Pat. Your a man of many talents! ;D
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I am the lucky recipient of that great quiver with the cherry bark. It is absolutely stunning! I definitely made the right choice sending that stuff to Pat.
Thanks Pat!
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The pleasure was mine, Brian. Now I have a new hobby...like I need another hobby! ;D 8)
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Pat, is there a article in PA on these quivers? I looked but did not find one.
I'm looking at our Fuchsia bushes and the nice skinny 5' bendy leaders they have.
If I want to make one quiver how much store bought stuff do I buy?
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Grunt, I haven't done an article for PA. I learned from my wife. For about $25 you can get a bundle of #2 rounds, 3/8" flat weavers and 1/4" flat weavers. With these three types you can make a quiver like the ones I made. With those 3 bundles you could make 4 or 5 quivers, maybe more.
Once you get the hang of weaving the quiver(took me 3 to get the feel) you can add stuff like the cherry bark, snake skins or other interesting materials. Honeysuckle vines were used to weave baskets. I believe you have to boil them first. Grape vines work well and are interesting and I have read about using split blackberry canes also. I'd like to learn more about basketry and would like to learn about the Cherokee style split cane baskets.
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Thanks Pat, I'll be hitting the craft stores in Asheville on Tuesday. New Stuff To Learn!!!!
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Ordered 3/8 and 1/4 flat and #2 round. Went to a used book store and got a pretty good handmade basket book. Waiting for my materials now. Pat, do you Indian weave a basket quiver or do you put an additional rib in so you have an odd number to do a continuous weave?
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Man , Those look great. I want to make me one. ' Frank
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Grunt, What I have to do with these "baskets" is start out with 2 sets of 2, 60" long and make a cross at the center and start weaving (kinda hard to explain) them together. After a few rounds split then and add a 30" piece in from the center. As I weave I add more ribs. I think these have 15 total(4, 60" and 11, 30"). I taper that end of the 30" ribs.
To answer your question, Yes, I add an odd rib. What is the Indian style?
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Pat, those are awesome quivers. I realy like those. You, sir, are a true craftsman.
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In the book I got, the Indian style is to weave with an even number of ribs by going over or under two ribs at once to put the weavers on an odd number path each round. I'm going to add a rib to get an odd number.
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What in the book? I have one ; BASKETRY of the APPALACHIAN MOUNTAINS, by Sue H Stephenson. Good info but lacking some too.
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very cool quivers pat. this is something i want to make eventually myself, not sure yet what materials im going to use as i would rather harvest em myself.lol. i did find some interesting stuff about getting strips for weaving from logs though, the one i saw was hickory, they actually got the growth rings to seperate and used them.
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Hickory or poplar inner bark should work fine for the weavers. Also honeysuckle vines work but I believe you have to boil them first. Willow or other shoots will work for the frame.
Google Native basketry. The Cherokee as well as others made very cool baskets with river cane and other cool stuff.
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Hickory, tulip poplar, basswood, and slippery elm bark all work great for those types of quivers.
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Het Pat really like your basket quivers,they are nice.Me and my wife have been making baskets for abot ten years now.We make them out of a lot of materials,honeysuckle,whiteoak.cane,pineneedle and whiteash.We would like to try blackash but there are none around here.
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Thanks Yeti. I'd like to try more local materials if I ever get the time.