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Title: Cumberland Cache
Post by: leapingbare on March 01, 2010, 12:25:43 am
 I finlay figured it out! I've wanted to make one of these for years and once i figured it out i did not stop. i knapped some Friday and Saturday and all day today, i must have broke 5 or 6 bu these all made it!!
 From back to front, Flint river , KY blue , horse creek , TN creek chert , Black Dover. All points have flutes on both sides and the KY blue and dover are fluted to the tip on both sides.
 For close ups of each point and to see the other sides go to my page on flintknappers.com

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Title: Re: Cumberland Cache
Post by: cowboy on March 01, 2010, 12:34:45 am
Dang Jesse :o! That's some really beautiful work there and tricky. I've never tried one. So how do you do that??
Title: Re: Cumberland Cache
Post by: sailordad on March 01, 2010, 12:58:51 am
DAMN BOY  :o

thats impressive work right there i tell you what 8)

man that ky. blue one is saweeeeet,they are all awesome but that one takes the cake right there

did you flute by percussion or jig?
Title: Re: Cumberland Cache
Post by: FlintWalker on March 01, 2010, 03:49:58 am
Yep! Just what I expected!   Do you even remember seeing Abby Sunday ::)
 Very nice, my friend...Very nice ;)  Love that Ky blue.
Title: Re: Cumberland Cache
Post by: jamie on March 01, 2010, 04:40:27 am
that is fantastic jesse. fluting is what i have been working on lately. im not breaking them, but i just cant figure out when to flute. i keep loosing the flute when i do the cleanup work. need to figure out at what point to run em. again that is some incredible work jesse
Title: Re: Cumberland Cache
Post by: DanaM on March 01, 2010, 08:42:21 am
Awesome points Jesse :)
Title: Re: Cumberland Cache
Post by: Timo on March 01, 2010, 08:46:52 am
Shannon filled me in on your "excitement" Jesse! Told me that you where like a kid in a candy store with this fluting. ;D

Good for you , them look nice!
Title: Re: Cumberland Cache
Post by: leapingbare on March 01, 2010, 08:58:01 am
Thanks guys.
 Yes Tim I'm using a Jig but the paleo people that made these points used some sorta presher defice for fluting, its the only way to get them to the tip.
Cowboy, its all about the cross section its got to be a diamond shape and flawless no steps no high spots or low spots. i spent about 15 or 20 mins doing paleo flaking on both faces of the point  just to achieve that flawless diamond cross section.
Title: Re: Cumberland Cache
Post by: jamie on March 01, 2010, 09:01:22 am
i was running into trouble with the flutes because i was getting the pieces too flat. started leaving em thicker and now im loosing the flutes when i clean the piece up. gotta find the middle ground.  >:( been staring at these all morning trying to figure out some of the tricks.  ;D
Title: Re: Cumberland Cache
Post by: leapingbare on March 01, 2010, 09:40:26 am
Here are two photos of a KY blue cumberland unfinished before and after the 1st flut. notice the cross section before the flut.

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Title: Re: Cumberland Cache
Post by: leapingbare on March 01, 2010, 09:41:46 am
note. this is not the KY cumberland in the photo. this one broke on the 2nd flut because my nipple was to strong.
Title: Re: Cumberland Cache
Post by: FlintWalker on March 01, 2010, 09:52:26 am
Maybe this will be of some help.  It's a real Cumberland that broke while fluting.

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Title: Re: Cumberland Cache
Post by: Wolf Watcher on March 01, 2010, 09:59:32 am
Jesse:  Some truly beautiful points and some break thru technique.  I really like the K/blue!  I have a Solberger gig packed away somewhere from the old days and if I can find it I will bring it to the Classic.  Guess we will have to start calling you "Young Solly"!   :) :)  Joe
Title: Re: Cumberland Cache
Post by: leapingbare on March 01, 2010, 10:04:51 am
thanks Joe  ;)
 Shanon thats a cool point. yes i see the over shoot from the 2nd flut and the fact that the flut went past the spot it over shot is a dead give away that a presher device was used to flut it. But you can see the diamond cross section on both sides of that.
Title: Re: Cumberland Cache
Post by: cowboy on March 01, 2010, 10:16:40 am
That's exactly the broke point I was thinking about Shannon when I looked at these Cumberlands. I knew you were there in TN this weekend and thought there might have been a connection. Looks like Jesse already had it all figured out though. Man them things are amazing!!
Title: Re: Cumberland Cache
Post by: Hillbilly on March 01, 2010, 12:25:30 pm
Those look great, Jesse. Awesome work.
Title: Re: Cumberland Cache
Post by: Pappy on March 01, 2010, 01:54:16 pm
Man you got busy Sunday,great looking stuff as normal,thanks for the dagger it fits good in the cabin. :)
      Pappy
Title: Re: Cumberland Cache
Post by: mullet on March 01, 2010, 04:07:45 pm
 Man! those are amazing, Jesse. Great collection of blades.
Title: Re: Cumberland Cache
Post by: Jaeger on March 01, 2010, 06:29:13 pm
Awesomee!!!! points and thanks for sharing the lesson learned!
Title: Re: Cumberland Cache
Post by: TRACY on March 01, 2010, 07:31:42 pm
Awesome projectiles Jesse!

Tracy
Title: Re: Cumberland Cache
Post by: mullet on March 01, 2010, 08:39:06 pm
  Dang, Jesse, I have to keep going back and looking at those blades. They are Awsome. There is an old store south of Murfreesborough off the interstate that has one hell of a collection of blades from Tenn. on the walls. They have some monster Cumberlands made from that brown chert.
Title: Re: Cumberland Cache
Post by: leapingbare on March 01, 2010, 09:34:59 pm
Thanks yall!
 Yea i was very exited to make these! Eddie there are so many little hole in the wall places around here with huge arrow head collections. this part of the country is rich in artifacts.
Title: Re: Cumberland Cache
Post by: jamie on March 02, 2010, 08:52:40 am
i keep coming back to these and staring. i gotta do this  ;D
Title: Re: Cumberland Cache
Post by: cowboy on March 02, 2010, 12:13:35 pm
I'm like Jamie - keep coming back and staring. I gotta make the classic this year and take some lessons!!
Title: Re: Cumberland Cache
Post by: stickbender on March 02, 2010, 02:00:52 pm

     Jesse, those are awesome! :o :o  Could you post a picture, and or plans for making the jig?  I had some for a jig somewhere, and can't find them.  Thanks.

                                                                                         Wayne
Title: Re: Cumberland Cache
Post by: leapingbare on March 02, 2010, 04:26:57 pm
this is the one i bassed mine off of.

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Title: Re: Cumberland Cache
Post by: stickbender on March 02, 2010, 05:36:38 pm

     Ok, thanks, Jesse. I appreciate that. ;)

                          Wayne
Title: Re: Cumberland Cache
Post by: mullet on March 02, 2010, 07:49:13 pm
 I bet you can get some perfect flutes with that cut and grind method.
Title: Re: Cumberland Cache
Post by: leapingbare on March 02, 2010, 09:22:20 pm
LOL i'm sure the guy just put that there for the photo.  ;)  :D
Title: Re: Cumberland Cache
Post by: n2everythg on March 03, 2010, 06:06:32 pm
wow jesse those are excellent. very nice.
N2