Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: half eye on February 24, 2010, 02:38:12 pm
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Was out in the shed (where else?) working on a 61" mollegabet (what else?) when some dry rot decided that the upper lever was going away (duck and cover).......so since I don't need no stakes I figured that it was gettin personal. Cut both levers off at the fades, cut the working limbs in half (size wise) and formed new levers.........and there ya go, it was a midget ;D
Had to thin down the limbs so I'd have some fat 'ole levers and here she is. It's 40", 39 ntn, draws a full 25" at the astronomical weight of 30#....sweet Jesus it's a killer!!!!!
I'll find some youngster who will like it, and it beats bein a stake. So here is your chuckle for the day from:
half eye
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;D 8) 8) 8)
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Super little bow lol. It always gets interesting when things get personal lol 8)
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1/2 I have been working on some bows just like that for light arrow flight bows. having trouble getting wood wide enough for 50# and still make my 25" draw. Just for the heck of it try a very light short arrow out of that bow and see how she shoots, it might surprise you. I grind down old arrows on my belt sander to about 150 grains. Steve
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Badger,
will be happy to do that....how wide of a stick do ya need....and what kind of wood? There might be one or two ;D floatin around here some place LOL seriously....what kind ya need got staves and fully quartersawn think theres some of both in red elm.
let ya know about the arrow flight.
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Nice bow, half. Even nicer is what yo said about giving it to a kid. Good for you. :) Jawge
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Yup, that stick was goin' to be a bow weather it liked it or not ;D.
Del
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cool Bow Half Eye! :)
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I love it! ....and so will some neighbor kid. watch out neighborhood
cats rabbits!
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Hey Badger,
Made me one o them skinny slivers (pic attached) it's 26" white oak, 3 5" parabolic....self knock and superglue hardened head, just dont tell nobody how the hillbilly makes them secret flite-arrows eh? It weighs 165.6 grn's and I managed to stay out long enough to fire that arrow 5 times .....shortest was 98yds and the farthest was 103 yds......the distance was not to good but damned if it didn't get out there real quick....that was a shock.
Thought I'd let ya know. Oh ya, the arrow shaft was tapered from .195" at the knock, .212" mid shaft, and .227" at the tip....didn't want to make it any thinner......all my 3/8 huntin arrows was taking bad to that skinny girl in the house!!!!
half eye
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Hehe, that's brilliant ;D
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I should have told ya to knock those feathers down to 1" long and 1/4" high, you might get almost double the distance if you shoot up at about 45 degrees. You have a lot of feather holding back a very light arrow, acting like a flu flu. Looks like you are having fun, I can relate. Steve
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Badger,
That's what I been doing wrong.....ya got to glue them squirrels on with tail out the back....damned ;D Flight shooting aint my thing if ya haven't all ready guessed.
Rich
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The arrow looks real good! Are you going to tell us your arrow making tecnique?
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Badger
I make all my arrow shafts the same way. I cut some straight grain quartersawn into 3/8" "squares" then use the belt sander to make them into octagons. Then I eaither hand sand them round or roll them on the belt sander. Put my hand on the shaft to hold it down on the belt and turn it with the other one.
When you asked about the flight thing....the only shafting I had at the moment was the white oak so that's what I used. Normally I prefer black ash but haven't got to my friends table saw to make the "squares" recently. The black ash is about the weight of spruce but a whole lot tougher.
Not very scientific but it works for me....a doweling tool would be better but they cost money and then I'd have to go back to school etc.etc. so hopefully I wont screw up any more good hands, they're gettin to be in short supply :D
Rich
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Love it, Sometimes those tiny bows are more work then the big ones.
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Nice bow Half Eye.Some kid will really like it. ;) God Bless
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great stuff half eye! ;D
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Wow that thing is really bending, I love it. Love them short bows. what do you think it would take to get a 27" draw? 45in? That is gonna be a sweet little shooter for a kid.
Tell
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RC,
I got that out of a 48" molle....it was ash with a grey elm backer about 1/8" thick.....elm backed elm or elm backed oak would do it also. On the 48" you may want to modify the molle design just a bit....maybe give it 1/2" more working limb before the lever fade......I believe you could get 50# @ 27 with any of those.
Even with the levers to help out at some point you will run into a string angle where stack will be a problem....and maybe not worth the couple or three inches you saved in length...........all in all this design will really pull (bend). Also if you go real short I'd make the limbs a good 2" wide, it looks a little funny for a short bow but builds in a little "safety" factor.
Rich
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nice bow half eye as always and a nice save as well ! did i hear you say you needed arrow shafts ?? i might could find some
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Way to go, halfeye. A nice little bow!
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Thanks Ken,
Got me some right-fine shafts from a Southern Gentleman (you probably know him :D)....some stone heads just arrived from Mr. Concrete so I'll be building some (3) deer arrows for this coming October. That cherry is going to knock yer socks off when ya see them deer killers. Thank you
Rich
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Nice bow!
I use the belt sander as well , but I put the shaft in my power screwdriver/drill before and then on to the belt sander and move it back and forth.
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Very cool. Some youngster is going to be proud.
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I've been doing some historical digging into the original Møllegabet archeological find, and found some interesting information from German archeologist and bowyer, Juergen Junkmanns. Juergen did his Masters and is now working on his Doctorate on Prehistoric Bows and Arrows of Europe.
Møllegabet BTW is pronounced more like "Mull gabbet" than "Molly ga-bet". It's not from the Viking era, but from 6000 years earlier. The Møllegabet site is under something like waist deep water. 7000 years ago it was back from the beach a ways.
Anyway... it turns out that the Møllegabet bow, discovered about a decade ago, is undoubtedly a youth bow. Made for a well-to do youth, no doubt. It's the only one of its kind ever found. Tribal variant of the Holmgaard design? Completely different tradition? We'll probably never know for sure. Suffice it to say the Møllegabet and Holmgaard designs are decidedly different.
The complete bow wasn't recovered but what was preserved tells us that it was between 39 and 48 inches long (the tips were not recovered), and made from Elm (there are no yew bows in prehistoric Europe). Draw weight somewhere between 20 and 45 pounds. The working limbs were about 1-1/4" wide, and slightly less than 1/2" thick. The stiff tips were about slightly less than 1/2" wide at mid-limb taper, slightly more than 1/2" thick, and tapering towards narrow nocks.
Sounds almost exactly like what you made Half-Eye!! Make me wonder if your "Oops! Guess I'll make a smaller bow out of the broken bits" is how the original came to be made over 7000 years ago. History does repeat itself...
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HE,
Post use some pics of those arras when you get done making them. Would love to see how those points haft up. you got some sinew? If not let me know I know where to find lots of it. ;D ::)
Tell
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Nice kids bow Rich
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Never say die. And, helping out youngen's. Can't beat that!
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The bow is groovy man if anything to laugh about you keep making bows and taking the picture in the same spot u mealted the snow! I can see the grass.. lol Great bow Half eye!!!
Russ
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there are no yew bows in prehistoric Europe
Hmmm, carefull, I don't like to be pedantic but there is a huge difference between what you say and the statement.
"No Yew bows from that era have been discovered"
Bear in mind how few bows have survived compared with how many there doubtless were in use. Also maybe the conditions favour the survival of certain woods.
It's a miracle that any bows have survived, but one should be wary of drawing conclusions about 'all bows' based on one or two surviving bows or fragments.
Actually if I was really being pedantic I'd say the original statement doesn't actually make sense...
Do you mean:_
There 'were' no yew bows in pehistoric Europe. or
There are no prehistoric yew bows from Europe.. ?
Your tenses are confused in the original statement.
Del (sorry if I sound picky :-[ )
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Thanks Del; I've been writing for semi-literate folks for too long...
You're right, of course. No yew bows from the prehistoric era have been discovered in Europe.
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Sweet little bow...!
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I always love seeing your bows :)
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Hey Rich good work as always! Heck nothing to chuckle about! Its easy to make a longbow draw 25" but a mollegabet at 39'' and 25" draw...NICE!!! 8)
Russell