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Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: Bentstick81 on January 05, 2010, 10:07:22 pm
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A friend of mine bought a chronograph. I took my bow up to find out how fast my hickory boardbow was shooting. Just curious. I was shooting 128 ft per second. :o My tendonitis in my elbows are getting pretty bad, but i couldn't believe how slow it was. I must have lost a lot of strength in my fingers due to that tendonitis. Is this enough speed foe deer? :-\ It sure doesn't look that slow, but i want to make sure that its enough. I hate the thought of having to bring out my old compound :-[, that i shoot instinctively. What do you guys think?
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Bentstick,
Are you aware that back in the 40's and early 50's alot of bows were used to take deer (here in Michigan) that drew in the 30 to 35 pound range. You didn't say how much your arrows weighed, or what type of heads you use, or even how quiet your bow is at draw and release. A good sharp, 2 blade broad head, on a wood shaft that hits through both lungs is going to kill a deer and do it humanely.
If your bow is between 40 and 45# and you ambush the little buggers at 20 yds or less...you should have a deer killer for sure. The thing that bugs me the most about the whole speed thing (as it relates to hunting) is this: there wont ever be a bow thats' speed will make the speed of sound (sound will allways get to the deer first with archery equipment) so you will be better served to shoot what goes where you look, does it REAL quiet. The sharp blades and exanguation will do the rest.
More speed means flatter trjectory which more hits at longer range....and is fine for 3-D shoots or the target butts, but for actual live animals that you want to kill cleanly....shoot close, shoot well, shoot quiet and shoot whatever you can do with the most accuracy.
half eye ;)
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You said it, half eye. I agree 200%. Bentstick, I'd love to see a full draw picture and a picture of the last 6 inches and the nocks. What's your draw length? Bow weight? Jawge
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Dear are easy enough to kill with a sharp broadhead, I am amazed how many people report complete pass-thrus with light bows
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George, i shoot a more or less floating type anchor ::). I know, i have a weird way of shooting, due to a bad case of target panic a few years back. So, i picked up this method, and it seems to be very accurate for me, but i don't have a exact anchor. The boardbow i made is pretty much step by step from your site back in 2006. My tendonitis keeps my strength in my fingers pretty weak. The bow is 46# @ 28". I probably pull 26"-27" most of the time. I shoot cedar arrows with 2 blade magnus heads.
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I also meant to say that my style of shooting is like a snap shooter. I concentrate on a spot, pull back slow, while maintaining concentration on a spot, until it feels right, then release. I know you guys are probably scratching your head by now. ;D
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i too agree with half eye
if you ever shoot next to someone who has the most modern hyper speed compound bow
you will notice not only how fast his bow is,but how LOUD it is too
speed = noise.
my uncle(the guy who taught me to shoot bow back in the 70's)only shoots wheelie bows now.
he likes my stick bows but wont hunt with one even if i gave it to him to keep.
to slow is what he says.he just bought a new Mathews wheelie this year,i swear i can hear him shoot it when hes hunting 50 miles away
loud as hell,thats why all those guys with training wheels have all those dampers on their limbs etc.
every one i know that uses them never realy shoot past 30 yrds,they may say they do but ive seen their stands and shooting lanes
and none of them have a clean shot past that(our woods are like briar patches up here)
here it is a legal bow for deer and turkey if it pulls 30# minimum
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I shoot cedar arrows with 2 blade magnus heads.
Do you know the weight of the arrows? If you don't know the weight, what is the length of shaft and what weight of heads?
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Everythings right on the money so far. As long as the bow has the velocity neccessary for good penetration at reasonable range, with sharp broadheads, you should be good to go. A recurve would give you more speed, but also more noise, and less accuracy, so what gain do you really get from the extra speed, if the quarry is more likely to be startled? In my much younger days, I shot an Onieda Eagle, which at the time, was one of the fastest arrow slinging contraptions on the market. I tried to take a 50 yard shot one day, and I would swear that the doe turned herself inside out and made her head come out her butt, when she heard the noise from that bow. She was back in the woodline while I was still following through on the shot. I'll never be tempted to take a shot at that sort of range with my hickory flatbow, and it hardly makes a sound when it shoots. I have no idea what it chronographs, and I really don't care.
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bentstick, i think your getting good advice here, and i think you have the equipement to do the job.
-you may want to increase your arrow weight as much as possible without robbing too much of that speed.
-i would say it is important to use the two blade heads, three blade heads don't penetrate as easily.
-as narrow a shaf as possible will also help.
-a bare tuned (therefore true flying) arrow will improve penatration also.
good luck.
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Justin, i shoot 5/16", 40-45's, left helical, 3-5" shield cut feathers, full length, wood arrows. They weigh 510 gr.
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That should do the job,put in the right spot :) and with a good and sharp 2 blade head. :)
Pappy
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I chronoed one of my selfbows once and was so disappointed with the numbers I never did it again. I'm certain any of my bows will take any game I go for. The speed of your arrow doesn't guarantee a clean kill. Like the others said, a sharp arrowhead and heavy arrow through the boiler room will do the trick.
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I am going to agree with the quietness. If you an get close, your bow is quiet and you have a good sharp broadhead, then you will make a kill. The deer would jump your string from noise, not from lack of speed. I think you should do fine with the arrow weight, and speed. Just hit it in the right spot and you will have delicious backstraps for dinner! Mmmmmmm............ ;D
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A 510 grain arrow at those speeds should be fine. Heavy arrows are great, but you might try lighter arrows also. If it increases the speed enough to make you feel more comfortable then do it. The equipment will do it, so now it has more to do with confidence than most anything else.
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i shoot the same way and do that same thing with other things like bowling,and even snap rifle shooting ;D ;D
I also meant to say that my style of shooting is like a snap shooter. I concentrate on a spot, pull back slow, while maintaining concentration on a spot, until it feels right, then release. I know you guys are probably scratching your head by now. ;D
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I asked pictures of the last 6 inches or so because narrowing them, if they are too chunky, will up the speed. Jawge
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George. I have got quite a bit of arrow hanging out in front. But they fly extremely well at that length, thats why i never tried cutting them down. May have to try one, and see how it flies.
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I agree with everybody else. The only thing I might add is, are you sure the Chrono was calibrated correctly? and I've had clouds pass over and change the lighting slightly enough to give false readings on a Chrono.
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Bentstick, George was referring to the tips on your bow. If you can narrow them you can pick up more performance. Look around at some of the nocks on other people's bows and see how narrow they can be. If you could show a picture of your bow tips we might be able to give you some ideas.
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I'm not sure on how to post a picture on this site. If i can, i will try and show the bow tips. This ol country guy is not that good with computers. ;D
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it would be crossbow time for me nothing worse than a slow death for a wounded deer.
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i shoot the same way and do that same thing with other things like bowling,and even snap rifle shooting ;D ;D
So, what weight bowling ball should I use for deer sized game? ;D
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Having dispatched several wounded deer with a quick knife thrust to the rib cage I was surprised how little pressure it takes a sharp blade to penetrate into the lungs. You will be fine with your arrow weight and speed.
I like my hunting shots to be 15 yards and less. Every deer I have shot at in the last 10 years went home to my freezer. Pick your shot carefully and you will be very successful with your bow.
Don't listen to crossbow advocates.
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Sorry guys, i tried to get pictures of the limb tips, and the whole set-up, but can't get them to appear on this site. Anyway, my bow doesn't bend at the handle, if it does, i can't tell. I also have a mini boa 4 arrow quiver, thats fastened at the fades. The handle area is approx. 1 1/4" thick. I built the handle area out with material. Do you guys think that the quiver could effect a selfbows performance. I can't seem to find a non bow mounted quiver that i can use, plus, take a seat, stool on my back, in with me to sit on ???. Thats the only reason i use a bow mount quiver. I actually like shooting, and hunting without the quiver on the bow.
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hope this works. this is the bow tip.
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Here is the back.
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The whole set up.
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That Set Up should be more than Adequate for Deer Hunting with...Proper Form...Anchor and Follow Through are more important than Speed any day of the Year....if can master these....then when the Shot presents itself...you and your Bow will be ready...if you are unsure of yourself...please practice on a target...not an Animal....You must be 100% when Hunting with Primitive Equipment.....and like stated above...don't listen to the Crossbow Crowd....I have seen more deer missed or Wounded by People that think that they can shoot anything at any range...because it's a Crossbow....well a Crossbow has to have 3 time the Draw Weight to do what a Longbow will do...they peak out...and start to lose performance almost instantaneously...I have a Barnett Crossbow....Bowtech Compounds...and umteen Selfbows....and I would use any of the Bows at a distance of under 30 yards...before I would ever shoot the Crossbow at a living Animal....JMO
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Your bows always look good, tiller-wise. If you tell them about your 23" draw, it will clear up a lot of the mystery. Of course, this is coming from someone who has to stretch out to hit 25". Those of us who are kinetically challenged have a bit more to do to get a little more speed out of a self bow.
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Bad tendon functions don't sound like a candidate for good shot placement to me .But it must for some hunters and I don't advocate crossbows unless you need one to bow hunt .
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The tips could have been narrower, and the fabric looks heavy. It will still do the job though.
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Tips looked good narrowing them a bit may help but that bow looks great at brace. I wouldn't touch it. Have fun hunting with it. Now you gotta make a spare! Jawge
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haha well choose the round black one with the long fuse jk
i shoot the same way and do that same thing with other things like bowling,and even snap rifle shooting ;D ;D
So, what weight bowling ball should I use for deer sized game? ;D
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Bentstick81, You might try and go to your local health food store, and get DHEA, it is good for inflamation, and tendonitis, and tennis elbow. Also, you might try ArnicaMontana. It is really good for inflamation, and damaged tendons, and muscles. Also try rubbing, Olive oil, Coconut oil, etc. on your fingers, and hands, in the morning, and evening. You just might see a difference. Not just in your skin condition. The bow looks nice, practice, and then go for it. ;)
Wayne
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Thanks Stickbender. I'll check them out.
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Yeah...but it can also raise the Estrogen levels in Males too...resulting in Man Boobs and lower Spem Counts and Lowered Labidos too....I will stick with my Glucosamine and Ibuprophen.......... ;D
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Which one, the DHEA or the ArnicaMontana? I've got tendonitis, but I don't be needin' no boobs. :D
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Which one, the DHEA or the ArnicaMontana? I've got tendonitis, but I don't be needin' no boobs. :D
The DHEA ..................... :P
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Dang, I wonder if there is a way to make it work on other parts bigger like that?..... ;D
Wayne
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You have a Sick Mind der Wayne..........Sick Mind......... >:D
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Yes, El D, I am, but then again I am known for that..... ;D
Wayne
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Yes, El D, I am, but then again I am known for that..... ;D
Wayne
:P