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Title: red mulberry roughed out (tillering pics )(full draw pics)
Post by: ken75 on October 28, 2009, 06:11:40 pm: started a new bow today should finish tomorrow here is what i have so far , red mulberry 70 in tip to tip may cut it shorter . 1 3/4 at fades tapering to 1/2 in . stave has a 3 1/2 in reflex . if you see anything wrong please feel free to speak up . im here to learn !

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Post by: ken75 on October 28, 2009, 06:12:50 pm: some more

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Post by: Justin Snyder on October 28, 2009, 06:25:39 pm: I'm glad to see this. There are many thoughts on mulberry sapwood. Some have had good luck, others haven't. I am anxious to watch this one born. Justin
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Post by: sailordad on October 28, 2009, 06:39:25 pm: ok maybe its my eyes playing tricks one me but i have to ask

did that stave have some character to it when ya started?
looks like you laid out the bow straight and didnt follow the longitudial grain.
like i said it could just be my eyes,just curious
cant wait for the finished product
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Post by: Josh on October 28, 2009, 06:43:00 pm: yah that is what I thought I saw too. Did you?
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Post by: gmc on October 28, 2009, 07:01:47 pm: Wow! That's one choice stave you have there. What draw length you looking for?

Greg
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Post by: ken75 on October 28, 2009, 08:17:27 pm: justin .. thanks read in tbb3 i think it was that sapwood could be used on mulberry . hope so
sailor .. i laid center line and finished my layout from there , i think it is the angle of the stave in the vice you see it was cocked sideways so the reflex shows (least i hope i didnt goof)
gmc .. i shoot 28 in draw ,and i dont mind a long bow so i'd rather be safe than bruised , when i gain experience ill go shorter !
thanks for the responses i'd like to hear more
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Post by: sailordad on October 28, 2009, 08:32:19 pm: ya that would explain it then
looks like it wil be a nice un
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Post by: Pat B on October 28, 2009, 08:33:22 pm: I've made mulberry bows with and without sapwood. All worked well. With sapwood the bow will be thicker than without.
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Post by: gmc on October 28, 2009, 08:37:57 pm: At that draw length Mulberry will allow some wiggle room if needed to shorten. Its a fine wood and don't worry about using sap wood, its all good. Can't wait to see the final pictures, you doing great.
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Post by: ken75 on October 28, 2009, 08:42:10 pm: thanks guys
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Post by: George Tsoukalas on October 28, 2009, 09:05:04 pm: No, you didn't follow the longitudinal grain. You went left in the foreground when it went right. Why are you using the sapwood? Jawge
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Post by: George Tsoukalas on October 28, 2009, 09:25:56 pm: Here's some info. Jawge
http://georgeandjoni.home.comcast.net/~georgeandjoni/layout.html
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Post by: woodstick on October 28, 2009, 09:50:21 pm: it looks like iut to me to that you run off the grain. maybe it will be ok i aint never used it before.
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Post by: bcbull on October 28, 2009, 09:58:34 pm: IM WITH JEWAGE ON THIS ONE THATS A NICE STAVE ID FOLLOWE THE GRAIN IF WAS ME AND IV NEVER USED SAPWOOD ON MAULBERRY JUST CHASED A RING SAME AS OSAGE BROCK
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Post by: George Tsoukalas on October 28, 2009, 10:40:08 pm: ken, you missed it on the other side too. You are in a cross grain situation and that's not good. Jawge
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Post by: wodpow on October 29, 2009, 02:01:42 am: The sap wood would always crack and pull up on me. braking when i was tillering on the tree real quick to show its not strong enough if your lucky you can remove it and still make the bow but most time I have just had some fire wood
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Post by: VenomBOWslinger on October 29, 2009, 08:56:08 am: Hey there Ken take it ur gettin tired of waitin...also good to see u keep on keepin on...lol one thing I saw from ur pics that is wrong is ur blade on ur bandsaw is on backwards...lol ps...good things will come to those who get sick of waiting!!!! ;)

Russ/venom
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Post by: radius on October 29, 2009, 09:42:55 am: i have that exact little bandsaw...works just fine for making bows!
Title: Re: red mulberry roughed out
Post by: ken75 on October 29, 2009, 01:45:58 pm: i thined limbs this morning and used a long string to see if it would bend any

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Post by: ken75 on October 29, 2009, 01:47:43 pm: last two it evened up so im gonna leave it for now , then go back and bring it back a lil more tonight or tomorrow

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Title: Re: red mulberry roughed out
Post by: ken75 on October 29, 2009, 01:50:50 pm: after the second pic i took more off after the fade seemed to even up the bend
Title: Re: red mulberry roughed out (tillering pics )
Post by: ken75 on October 29, 2009, 02:02:32 pm: limb on the left is a lil stiff , hard to figure this one the right fade reflexes so it throws that limb higher
Title: Re: red mulberry roughed out (tillering pics )
Post by: bcbull on October 29, 2009, 02:42:10 pm: watch the left close go s l o w bro brock
Title: Re: red mulberry roughed out (tillering pics )
Post by: ken75 on October 29, 2009, 04:36:49 pm: here is how it turned out

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Title: Re: red mulberry roughed out (tillering pics )
Post by: ken75 on October 29, 2009, 04:38:46 pm: last one i'll stop hogging the board, first self bow 68 tip to tip 43lb at 28 in

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Title: Re: red mulberry roughed out (tillering pics )
Post by: ken75 on October 29, 2009, 04:39:58 pm: wheee that thing is ugly
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Post by: Josh on October 29, 2009, 05:10:58 pm: cool bow!! Glad it held together for you! :) -josh
Title: Re: red mulberry roughed out (tillering pics )
Post by: adb on October 29, 2009, 05:26:58 pm: Looks to me like you didn't follow the long axis grain, either. Not the end of the world, but it ups the risk of your stave failing. What happens when you cut across the long grain axis is: grain run off = a weak spot. Some woods, like osage can handle that better, but it's usually not a good thing. I'm glad it held together for you.
Title: Re: red mulberry roughed out (tillering pics )(full draw pics)
Post by: VenomBOWslinger on October 30, 2009, 08:50:21 am: Ken im happy for u bro...U are makin me look bad and dont worry ur gona motivate me to have to show u up now...now u dun did it...ur maple holmegaard lookin good I took time to heat treat as radius mentioned also i i want to back it with diamond back or sinew....front side sanded out the oak but still want to lam it withsomething that looks nice..maybe cherry it will have a nice contrast u will see and thanx for being so dam patient with me....gimme a call!!!!

Orville Redenbackers Grandson...
Title: Re: red mulberry roughed out (tillering pics )(full draw pics)
Post by: Justin Snyder on October 30, 2009, 09:16:29 am: I'm glad it worked out for you. I hope I am wrong, but I think you are going to get some serious set at midlimb on the right limb. Shoot the heck out of it, then give us a followup on how the mulberry sapwood is holding up. Justin
Title: Re: red mulberry roughed out (tillering pics )(full draw pics)
Post by: OldBow on October 30, 2009, 12:59:22 pm: Got your bow bookmarked for Oct Self BOM fun!
Title: Re: red mulberry roughed out (tillering pics )(full draw pics)
Post by: madmax46 on November 01, 2009, 01:49:40 am: Good job, Ken. One thing about it, every bow you make, you'll learn something different. Good luck.