Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Arrows => Topic started by: kerbinator on September 20, 2009, 01:49:57 am
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Hello, Everyone
Tonight my neighbor came over to the house and I was finishing up a cane arrow. As I was wrapping the point on with some B50. He kept talking about how light and fragile my arrow looked. That it would break on impact cause it was hollow. It's too heavy in the tip he says. All these remarks begin to irritate me. He says "shoot it into that plywood over there and see what happens". I think it's gonna explode,he says. Them deer are gonna laugh at you.............. So you think my arrow is junk huh.I said "Them deer are not made out of PLY WOOD. But let me get my bow we'll see what happens. I brought out my 65lb long bow and shot the arrow at the half inch ply wood door. The point went through the door of my shop and stuck out the other side. There was no damage to the arrow. Just trouble getting it out. It totally exceeded my expectations, but I tried not to act surprised.
Thanks to all of you who made this possible. Cane is for real. I'm convinced.
Marlin Kerby
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Yeah baby, that is a solid looking point:)
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I think you showed commendable restraint not to shoot your 'armchair expert' >:D
Del
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I think you showed commendable restraint not to shoot your 'armchair expert' >:D
Del
.......or at least tell him to shut the #!%^ up !!
though I suppose the arrow through the plywood did that for you .............
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I have had a bad experience with Cane Arrows......I missed my Target once (before I put up the Conveyor Belt Backstop) and my Cane Arrow went through my Cedar Picket Fence....leaving the Turkey Feathers behind...across the Alley....and burried in the Neighbors 2X8 Douglas Fir Fence so deep that I pulled the Glue On Point off in His Fence....it is still there!! Thats a Tough Arrow!
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I have had a bad experience with Cane Arrows......I missed my Target once (before I put up the Conveyor Belt Backstop) and my Cane Arrow went through my Cedar Picket Fence....leaving the Turkey Feathers behind...across the Alley....and burried in the Neighbors 2X8 Douglas Fir Fence so deep that I pulled the Glue On Point off in His Fence....it is still there!! Thats a Tough Arrow!
Mike better the neighbors fence than the neighbor himself lol
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thats what I was saying while I was out in the Alley trying to be quiet while pulling it out!! Ain't no Arrow going through that 1 1/4" 8 ply Conveyor Belt....The Wife and I could hardly pick it up and Nail it in place!! I shot it with my Crossbow with a 120 grain Field Point....and it fell to the Ground.....now thats impressive!! I am sure that a Broadhead would go through...but I dont shoot them too often at Home....I go to the range for that!
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Actually being hollow makes a cane arrow stronger than a solid wood arrow.
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i never knew that :)
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More surface area(inside and out) to resist the bending.
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I think you showed commendable restraint not to shoot your 'armchair expert' >:D
Del
.......or at least tell him to shut the #!%^ up !!
though I suppose the arrow through the plywood did that for you .............
Ya, Sony
He had nothing left to say after that.
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Good story, I was wondering how that cane worked out for you.
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i know how it feels to have some baffoon bash our cave man gear. this stuff aint a joke. ;D
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Good story, I was wondering how that cane worked out for you.
Hey, shane
hows it goin man. Ya I got some good cane that day. I appreciate the help.
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i know how it feels to have some baffoon bash our cave man gear. this stuff aing a joke. ;D
I know they think if it's not a mechanical broadhead at 300 plus feet per second on a carbon shaft shot from a Mathews it won't work.
There full of it. Leave us cave men alone where bad.
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Oh who are we kiddin', we love challenges like that! Every time I hear "You expect to kill a deer with that?" I answer "Why not? People have been doing it for thousands of years!"
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Oh who are we kiddin', we love challenges like that! Every time I hear "You expect to kill a deer with that?" I answer "Why not? People have been doing it for thousands of years!"
That is very well said.
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honestly part of shooting with the gear we do is to get to see people's reactions. the other day i went and walked around bass pro for an hour with my snake bow just to get to see what people thought about it. ;D
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And? What did they think about it?
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There is nothing out there stronger or tougher than cane, unless maybe it's solid fiberglass shafting like fish arrows are made from. It will survive stuff that'll splinter carbons and bend aluminum double.
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I had one just like that with a Bone Point that did the same thing...i missed my target and hit the back stop... I was totaly shocked the bone was so tough. Unscathed, before removal of course lol.
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And? What did they think about it?
i got a bunch of statements like "people still use tose" and "where are the cams?" and "there is no way that can kill a deer"
sence it was a snake bow i also got alot of stuff like "did you paint the front of it?" and "is there any way you can straighten it back out?"
strange people with strange questions out there. :D
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Yeah, it really is amazing (though not in a good way) how most people believe it's impossible to have something good unless it is boughten. And that goes with anything, not just primitive archery.
I've been in similar situations to what you're describing, and even been put down because of my "stick". Well, guess what - 4 things I won't apologize or say "excuse me" for: My God, my family, my country, and my "sticks". So I found a way to usually put and end to the critics little hayride when they start traying to put down my gear by comparing to their "Matthews 300fps Super-Cam". I was at work one day and a guy who hunts deer a lot was trying to compare. He said,
What kind of pounds does it shoot? I said about 60. He said, "How long can you hold it back?" I said, only a few seconds if I want to shoot straight. He shook his head and said "I'm shootin 80lbs, and I can hold mine for quite a while, got 85% let-off, no problem at all."
"What kind of FPS you get with that? 200, 250?" I said, nope, about 130. He shook his head and said "I get about 300 with mine."
"How far a shot can you take with it? 30, 35 yards?" I said nope, I wouldn't take more than about 20 with it. He shook his head and said "I can shoot out to 50 with mine, no problem. Just set my sight and I'm ready to go."
I could see where this was going and that he was only trying to put down my equipment, so I decided to throw up a question that he couldn't even HOPE to compete with. 3 words - YOU MAKE YOURS? He looked at me funny and said "No, I bought it for $1100."
So I just laughed and shook my head. That ended that conversation.
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Did you get to shoot one of his 15 dollar carbon / mechanical broadhead arrows at your door with his wheelie bow? You should see if he can pull HIS out and hunt with it. ;D
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so easy a cave man can do it. i dont know why they think our things wont work primitive hunting gear has been on gods place way before cams and carbon, so they are just eat up with the old gota keep up with the jones. one thing bout it when it comes down to money if we aint all got none shame on them cause they cant go by a bow and hunt n-joy shooting, where we can go out not spend a dime and make something to hunt with, so who will be the peps giggling in the end. us cave men.
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That is a great story (LOL). Nice way to shut him up. Seems like people always want to doubt what they don't experience for themselves. Those who learn to fend for and do it yourself, well we just seem to get way more out of it! Happy Hunting.
Chasing Crow
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My Uncle was just down visiting. He took his first deer with a recurve decades ago. Talking to him on the phone over the past year he does the same, pointing out f-p-s, accuracy at distance, etc. He finally came over the other day and shot a 65# hickory flatbow and something amazing happened. He got a big smile on his face and laughed, saying "Ah, I haven't shot instinctively in 20 years." Then he asked when I was going to make him one!
People get caught up in marketing and consumerism. Marketing firms get paid to make us want to buy more stuff. More stuff more stuff more stuff. The six million dollar bow hunter, we'll build him bigger, faster, stronger. It was great to see my uncle have a moment to realize that he missed what 'simple' things have to offer and what I saw on his face; nostalgia, interest, and a bit of joy.
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Yep....thats what it is all about too....the Simplicity of it and all of the Equipment....getting Back To Nature....I did the same to My Father four Years ago too... ;D
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Yeah, it really is amazing (though not in a good way) how most people believe it's impossible to have something good unless it is boughten. And that goes with anything, not just primitive archery.
I've been in similar situations to what you're describing, and even been put down because of my "stick". Well, guess what - 4 things I won't apologize or say "excuse me" for: My God, my family, my country, and my "sticks". So I found a way to usually put and end to the critics little hayride when they start traying to put down my gear by comparing to their "Matthews 300fps Super-Cam". I was at work one day and a guy who hunts deer a lot was trying to compare. He said,
What kind of pounds does it shoot? I said about 60. He said, "How long can you hold it back?" I said, only a few seconds if I want to shoot straight. He shook his head and said "I'm shootin 80lbs, and I can hold mine for quite a while, got 85% let-off, no problem at all."
"What kind of FPS you get with that? 200, 250?" I said, nope, about 130. He shook his head and said "I get about 300 with mine."
"How far a shot can you take with it? 30, 35 yards?" I said nope, I wouldn't take more than about 20 with it. He shook his head and said "I can shoot out to 50 with mine, no problem. Just set my sight and I'm ready to go."
I could see where this was going and that he was only trying to put down my equipment, so I decided to throw up a question that he couldn't even HOPE to compete with. 3 words - YOU MAKE YOURS? He looked at me funny and said "No, I bought it for $1100."
So I just laughed and shook my head. That ended that conversation.
I loved your story! Didn't it make you feel sooooooooo goooood? I've built some pretty crude looking boats, all safe and very serviceable yet my brother-in-law (who just has to have a new hunting rifle just about every year) WILL NOT set foot in one. WOOD! he cries! You'll bust a hole in it, I'm not getting in that. I try to explain to him that there was this guy named Noah who built a very large boat once that appearently survived the largest flood in history and did not sink. I think it even had good sized load aboard. I'll go on to explain that for thousands of years that this was THE ONLY material to build a boat with and that fibreglass has only been used for the last 50-60 years or so. Still, he just can not fathom getting in a WOOD boat. I find it truly amazing . Too, you just can not reach these kinds of people.
Everyone does try to keep up with the Jones. It's all about appearences, nobody wants to read the story, they just want to look at the pictures.
I am really happy that I found PA. Attitude -wise, I fit right in. I do not know 1/10th of what 99% of you guys know but we share the same mentality.
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Yeah, it really did make me feel good and those 3 words have since become my standard response to any criticism. They usually shut it down pretty quick. My brother hunts with a compound and that's all he wants to use, just cause he likes to hunt a little easier and more power to him. I never say a word about his equipment and he never says a word about mine, and that's the way it should be. Those guys could hunt with their compounds and still respect our equipment without trying to talk it down. I think it really comes down to how respectful (or not) you were raised to be and what your level of inteligence is. Any idiot should know, if we were really concerned about fps we would just pick up the rifle. Not mechanize a bow of steel. Sort of defeats the purpose.
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I have enjoyed hearing your replies and stories that you all have. It is encouraging to me. I have tried to explain primitive or traditional archery to some people and one person said I was born in the wrong century.
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Any idiot should know, if we were really concerned about fps we would just pick up the rifle. Not mechanize a bow of steel. Sort of defeats the purpose.
couldnt have put it better myself. ;D