Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => English Warbow => Topic started by: Harudath on September 16, 2009, 04:55:52 pm
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Hey guys,
I've been wondering, because I've heard from different people that they are legal and they aren't. Are bodkins legal in the UK? And if not legal to shoot, is owning them ok? Since I've been planning on making a nice display arrow for my wall. Any help appreciated,
Thanks
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Hi Harudath,
I make, own, and have given away lots of bodkins and I live in the UK. There is no worries about having them. I know some NFAS clubs don't like you using the sharpe edged ones on the nice 3D's at a shoot, but I have lots of arrows that I use them on and have so for years..
I hope that helps???
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It does help, very much :) I know that broadheads are illegal, but does that mean if the bodkin is just a point, and not a blade, it can be used?
Thanks
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Who told you Broadheads were illegal? Are you talking about the hunting Broadheads the Americans use? As i'm sure you know BowHunting is illegal here so there's not much call for those but Historical Broadheads are available,i own lots.
Here's a selection from Hector Coles site.
http://www.hectorcoleironwork.com/Arrowheads.html
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Neither bodkins or broadheads are illegal, although hunting with a bow is against the law. The Netley Police open day fall over backwards to have warbows shot with all the different arrow heads in full view of the public and last year I certianly never got arrested showing my arrows, bodkins, broadheads and all, to a chief inspector at an entirely different meet.
It is illeagal to carry a stringed bow in a public space, ie the high street. It is not illegal to carry an unstringed bow in a public space, or the arrows, as long as you have reaonable grounds for doing so, ie you are your way to a shoot. At least that is what I've been told by several Police officers.
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Yeah, thats what I gathered too (I read through several firearms and offensive weapons acts xD Well, the relevant bits anyway :P)
http://www.hectorcoleironwork.com/images/type%207.gif is the kind of arrowhead I meant specifically, or tips to that effect.
I was carrying my bow around today at college (a teacher who is also a horse archer) asked to see it, so I thought why not :p technically you could have both without any reason other than to appreciate the culture from which the items originate (as far as I can tell through reading).
Thanks everyone.. I might be giving bodkins a go at the club one day ;)
I'll be making my own longbows soon too, or at least, trying for the first time since I was 10 ;D
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My friend "Taffy" claims that it is still legal to kill a welshman if he is in the city (London) and armed with a bow.
Do any of you guys know about this?
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It is not, these laws have been suspended in 1960´ .......
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whoops.... ;D
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;D ;D >:D
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Pretty sure that Law was regarding Scotsmen in York ;D Welshmen were Archer's in Englands Army's it wouldnt of been uncommon to see them in London with Bows,especially before campaigns to France.
Chester had a Law that you could kill Welshmen within the City limits if they were armed and it was after Dark ;D ,Both York and Chester were the main City's of the Border lands.
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I'm just wondering what the rationale behind no bowhunting in the UK is? Seems incomprehensible to me.
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No offense to our English bretheren, but England's laws should be a wake up call for Americans, our government is steadily destroying our gun rights, be assured our hunting rights and archery rights are also included on that list, fight now or forever be lost
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From what I gather, bowhunting was banned because it is an inhumane way to kill an animal (to be honest). There were many problems with people shooting an animal, it ran then off with an arrow in it and they couldn't find it to finish it off so they left it wounded to die slowly, or when they did catch up to it they weren't able to bring themselves to kill the animal, and so left it. Another issue being poaching; the bow and arrow is silent compared to gunshot, people could easily sneak around and hunt without being detected.
Though, I still think it should be allowed. Instead of removing the whole activity, it should be properly organised and administrated; training, tests and licences should be required in order to bow hunt, and, if you ask me; if you're good enough to hit the damn thing, you've got every right to hunt it. The bow and arrow, if anything, is the weapon that brought this country to glory and where it is now, its part of our heritage... How can we ban it, we of all people when most of europe may still hunt with a bow ??? It makes my blood boil >:(
...even the French can bow hunt! *Cough* Crécy *cough* Agincourt *Cough* :P
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"...Even the French can bow hunt!"
Oh the pain! It's almost like turning over the Channel Islands!
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England is one of our greatest allies , i cant understand where the world is headed with the things people are for nowadays,taking hunting away from people is just ,just I have no words either it makes my blood boil to hear about it too!
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HEy, the govt over here is also trying to steal our freedoms as well. Just remember what they did to the Native Americans. That same govt still rules us today, and anyone who thinks they are any different or they have changed their stripes over the years is a fool....
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From what I gather, bowhunting was banned because it is an inhumane way to kill an animal (to be honest). There were many problems with people shooting an animal, it ran then off with an arrow in it and they couldn't find it to finish it off so they left it wounded to die slowly, or when they did catch up to it they weren't able to bring themselves to kill the animal, and so left it. Another issue being poaching; the bow and arrow is silent compared to gunshot, people could easily sneak around and hunt without being detected.
As I recall it was a knee-jerk reaction to a rash of oiks shooting pets and swans and suchlike.
Often with a crossbow judging by the missile found in some of the animals, which stands to reason since most of these blokes likely would not have been able to hit the inside of a barn with the door closed with anything that required some skill.
As for poaching with a bow and arrow, not too clever unless you can retrieve all your arrows. Especially if you are known locally to be an archer capable of hitting his mark.
And in those days we still had enough rural bobbies who knew their patch and just about everyone on it.
Rod.
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"Most of these blokes likely would not have been able to hit the inside of a barn with the door closed with anything that required some skill"
Rod,
though the English may not hunt they have a long tradition of archery, with lots of clubs where people shoot regularly, when I was there I shot at one of their clubs and they are no slouches when it comes to bows:)
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"Most of these blokes likely would not have been able to hit the inside of a barn with the door closed with anything that required some skill"
Rod,
though the English may not hunt they have a long tradition of archery, with lots of clubs where people shoot regularly, when I was there I shot at one of their clubs and they are no slouches when it comes to bows:)
What Rod is saying is that it wasn't an archer but most likely be a guy or boy who has just got a crossbow for £45 or $60 at a fishing shop, gone into the woods got bored with shooting at a 10 ring target and has shot a deer,dog,swan or something with a target point arrow, the animal runs off is found walking around with an arrow in it's butt and it's the Archery club members that must have done it!!!!!!
As far as I know when it came up at parliament to find out if bowhunting in the UK should be banned. The man who was to stand up for bowhunting with a paper with 8000 names on it, was waiting for so long that he had to go take a pee and in that 5 mins, the matter was called up, no one was there to stand up for bowhunting so it got banned in the UK........
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Yep! We here in the US need to stick together. Once your libertys and rights start to disapear its just a short step into slavery to the state.
I think I like the motto "Live free or die!"
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Mon dieu! Ze French, can do what the ze English cannot? Perhaps, ze time has arrived to show ze English, the French have not forgotten Ze defeat by the English.....Marie! Where is mon bow, and arrows, and ze map of England...... ;D ;D ;D
Sorry, couldn't resist that. ;) Wayne
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I have to differ about the bow not being a good weapon for poaching. When it comes to hunting, being an excellent shot is only part of the story. The rest is to be able to blood trail, recover, debone and pack the whole deer in 3 or 4 Zip- Lock baggies. ;),,,from what I've been told. :)
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Absolutely, the only thing that reduces the lethality of the bow is the level of amateur shooting it:)
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More often than not, giving an idiot a bow and arrow is more dangerous than handing them to an archer.
If that story abpout 8000 signatures and needing the bathroom is true, I'm goddamn furious. Anyone fancy starting a campaign to get it legalised again?
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More often than not, giving an idiot a bow and arrow is more dangerous than handing them to an archer.
If that story abpout 8000 signatures and needing the bathroom is true, I'm goddamn furious. Anyone fancy starting a campaign to get it legalised again?
It's already happening here in the UK, it just seems to be taking a long time. There is a lot of people that want to be able to bowhunt, but there is also alot of loud people saying it's wrong to hunt, why hunt when meat comes from the store anyway??? And that kind of rubbish.....
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from what I'm told, it's not actually illegal or legal to hunt with a bow in England. Apparently there is a list of approved hunting weapons and a list of banned hunting weapons. The bow is on neither list. ???
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Eddie,
Are you saying that you have never left an arrow in the woods?
I know I have and I'm not exactly a slouch when it comes to hitting what I shoot at.
What Grandad had in mind was not that you couldn't take game efficiently with an arrow, but that most folks back then used crested arrows.
If you did not recover such an arrow you might just as well have left a signed note for the gamekeeper. ;-)
He taught me on land where we had permission to rove and take game within reason.
I guess the keepers thought it better to have local eyes on the ground and be warned about foreigners long netting and such than to try and ban a local who was out there more often than they were and would take game if he chose, like it or not, if they were to ban him.
The owner was an incomer anyway. New money from commerce and his family had parked quite a bit of the farmland so there was still some resentment locally, but he had the sense let the head keeper run the game side of things.
Grandad was a yellowbelly, "out of the ground" as Rudyard Kipling once described it, and regarded most of the proprietors in the county as usurping incomers, except for the people over at Bourne who, although they came with the Normans, had settled in and become accepted.
Rod.
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Incomers! The Pikers!! ;D ;D
Wayne
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Rod,
Yea, I've left a few, but not many sticking out of animals. If I did, I trailed them enough to know if I didn't find them nobody else was going to crawl back into that thick stuff to see what the smell was. And a lot of the places I hunt are 7,000 acres or more, dead stuff everywhere every day, mostly cattle ranches. And Most people in the States don't write their names on arrows anymore.
It has got the same here, used to be able to hunt most anywhere but without permission it is against the law now.
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Yes, too many people and not enough space....
7000 acres would be nice.
It's the odd stray or ricochet that would be found, not one that had found it's mark.
Rod.
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I suppose you could crest your arrows, with the Royal Crest......if you lose one, nothing would be said, and it would probably be kept as a souvenir. Ere now! Wot's this?! Well tie me knickers in a knot! The Bloody Piker of a Prince is at it again! :o;D ;D ;D
Wayne
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Hahaha :D Brilliant, I'm actually sorely tempted to do that... Though I dont even need to look up the different ways that would be illegal :p
Though I must admit, I am thinking about putting a crest or mark onto my arrows.. Hmm... O:)