Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: Pat B on January 19, 2007, 12:07:50 am
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OK all you Yankee bas....yous guys from up north. This is your thread. Pat
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I guess I'm a northerner...lol. ::) I'll do what ever needs done, I already offered to do the grip and the tips but I can do anything else that needs done as well. ;D This should be interesting..... :D
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I'm the sourthen spy.
Pappy opps I gave my name :o
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Pappy, no spy needed with only one soldier on their side. Pat
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Durnit, I already had the container of termites ready for him to sneak across the border ;D
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What happened to all the troops? ???
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here i is. i contacted dano to have him get in touch with matt so we could get the ball rolling.
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do we have a knapper? ive got so many notes from this thing i cant decifer em anymore. lol
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Us southerners might have a chance this go around if the yanks only have two soldiers! ;D Just kidding...I've got a sister married to a yank and living in Wells Maine. I'm usuallly treated pretty good up there when I visit, just get some funny looks when I open my mouth to talk! ;D
Greg
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hey now the only difference between you and us is youall are friendly. lol
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Hey Greg b -go up there for a visit and be an southern indian that goes huntin'with them with a bow--talk about strange looks and this is from IN LAWS !...........bob
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Jamie--thats y'all not youall---ha-ha-ha-ha---btw do you make cane arras ?........bob
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The last time I was up to Maine was on a moose hunt. I had become friends with a couple that were good friends of my sister. They invited me to get on their application as an alternate shooter, said it was 50-1 odds against getting drawed. Well Alayna (the wife) got drawn and I got a 860 lb. field dressed bull moose (sorry, with a rifle). I felt guilty, cause here I was from Tn. and we had a guide that had never drawn a moose permit in Maine! I think he was more excited then I was...just didn't mean a lot to me taking it with a rifle.
Well I had better slip back south across the border while I can...
Greg
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I plan on getting the stave roughed out this week end and sent off to Matt next week, no promises. ::)
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One of the things I leaned in the army was don't volunteer for anything.
However, the southern boys seem to be fielding quite an army.
I can contribute two things to this project, if appropriate. One, how about a hand woven wool or linen bow sock, with hand woven trim?
Second, if a presentation certificate will go with this bow and accessories, I can write and design a nice looking certificate, with all the contributors listed, suitable for framing. I do these for my wife's college departmental awards, and they look nice.
Dane
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Ok im here. Geeze, been offline coupla days and this thing really took off. Dont no who's doin what but Im in. Ive only built a couple bows but I got some awsome zebrawood, pretty good supply a leather, and a couple a old files that really wanna be knives. I live in Hallsville, Missouri. Right in the middle of the state. Let me know if I can help. Btw you rebel spies, we prefer the term "CARPETBAGGERS" lol.
Brian
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Hey guys, lets everyone sign, date and give your location on whatever part of the project you do. This will show off the community. Pat
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I can do skins and strunk style handle wraps reasonably well if that is useful.
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Here's the roughed out stave.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v199/dlgren/Archery/Bows/IMG_2133.jpg)
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Looks like a great start...ahh, where is all our help?
Brian
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Hey Dano I emailed you about that tube. I don't think we really need it. We could probably get away with using those triangular priority boxes. I have hand tons of stuff shipped to me in them and it was all fine. Last time I shipped a bow in a tube it was 17 dollars because it was odd shaped and light weight compared to its size. I have atube if you guys want to use it, but I think priority boxes would be fine.
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Well Im a yank but can't handle the stress of working on someone elses wood.Not that I've messed up to many bows lately,just wouldn't want this one to be one of them so I must gracefully (chicken ) out.
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hey everyone! bow is taking shape! looks like a nice clear piece of wood :) let me know what you want me to do, i can work on any part of the bow and have lots of free time to work on it. great job Dano on the rough out. -jesse
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Thanks Jesse.
I don't believe it matters what the shipping container is made out of. The over all size it what makes the difference in cost, usually the length. The problem is shipping a 68" bow with enough packing to protect it, I think the tube is well worth the cost of shipping. I'll get a cardboard tube, and plug the ends with plywood, not much cost there.
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we should have a list of steps the bow goes through and who is doing them. whos tillering this bow? are we backing this bow with any thing? whos stepping up to the plate next? ill jump in unless theres already an order of whos next. let me know ill help with whatever i can. -jesse
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Hey Pat, I think it would be nice to keep this thread for talking about the project, and have another with just the pictures and a BRIEF description of the work each person does on the project, arrows, quiver, knife, whatever. No BS on the second just the pictures and description of what was done, kind of a diary for the project. Justin
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Good idea, Justin.
By the way, what is the timeframe for this project? Days, weeks, months? I.e. what is our deadline?
Dane
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Well it is nice to see this shaping up. Perhaps a list of those that have offered to do something and what they are doing would be in order. That way if there is an opening for something to do somebody can make an offer.
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Here is an incomplete list of what we have to. Those marked with an x in the box are already completed. Next to them are who they need to send it to. It might be helpful to include an adress next to them. Those marked with a question mark are ones I am unsure about if they are being done or if they need done. Tell me what names we need to add. This is all I could find. There might be others in the other topic. We can keep a running list.
Look on page 4 for the updated list.
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probably wanna do the overlays before sanding and finishing. and also dont wanna but any heads but ryan already called handle wrap and overlays unless he changed his mind. -jesse
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If ya'll want to buy some heads,I think there are some Southern boys that could help. ;)
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Yeah I saw that too, but I wasn't even sure if we were doing them so I just kinda shoved them in there somewhere.
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Bout all I would be brave enough to do would be some final sanding.
Medical Lake, WA..near Spokane and Idaho.
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I can make a knife if needed.
Brian
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Ok I updated the list. Thanks for offering to make a knife Brian. A knife and quiver sort of wrap the whole thing up as a primitive hunting machine. The winning bidder has everything he needs to kill and skin a deer, minus the clothes on his back. This is really shaping up.
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It might work better if you send the bow to me after the sanding. Then I can do the skins, finish and handle wrap in that order. I can do a pretty decent hand-rubbed finish. Diamond back skins okay - or do you want something else?
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That sounds good Gordon. Diamond backs are beautiful. Does anybody else want something different? We still need people to do the following:
Overlays
Arrows (shafting, fletching, hafting)
Arrowheads (stone, bone, maybe tradepoints)
And if somebody wants, they can make a quiver for the arrows and a sheath attatched for the knife, or maybe both attatched to eachother. We also need to know where to send the finished bow and accessories to. Where did the stuff go to in years past?
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the way i understood it, jamie was doing arrows and provide the quiver
north is jamie( arrows), ryan (grip), dano (stave), jesse (back up stave), and matt (tiller)
again as far as shafts go i'll do a half dozen footed shafts complete with fletching. pat i know you said you would offer up some sourwood shafts. i also have a quiver for the north i'll give up.
and matt (flntknp17) offered a knife:
Matt(flntknp), ..... you could send it to Jamie and we will find another knife for the Southern set.
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I really don't have the skills, tools, or materials to help in anyway, but I wanted to chime in and say that I'm here to help in spirit, if no other way.
Tim
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Thanks for your "Uncouth" support ;D
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Well if I can help in anyway put me on the list,been a little hesitant since that last time that stave I donated turned out to be such a dud. I help with the skins or tip overlays,handle wrap or bag out some points if needed.What ever just let me know.... Even have a few premium yew staves if we want to add another bow to the list. I learned so much from PA and would like to give back.......Keenan
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Im still offering to do the grip and tips if you want.....but I dont have to, let me know.
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Ryan here's the list Matt has so far.
[ x ]Dano - Roughing out (send to me)
[ ]Me- Tillering (send to Zane)
Matt Newcomb
9006 Horn Road
Windham, OH
[ ]Zane - Sanding (send to Gordon)
Medical Lake, WA
[ ]Gordon - Handle Wrap, Skin, Finish. (send to__________ )
[ ]Ryan - Also offered to do the Handle Wrap. Maybe Gordon just does skins and finish?
[ ]Keenan - Overlays (also knap points?)
The following people send their items to whoever the finished bow goes to.
[ ]Jamie - Quiver
[ ]Dane - Bowsock, Presentation Certificate
[ ]Jamie- Arrows (Shafts, Fletching,)
[ ]Keenan - Knapped Points (Also overlays)
[ ]Brian and Matt - Knife (talk about it and decide who wants to do it)
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I think the tips and skins that Keenan does are to die for. Keenan, maybe you could do those, I'll do the finish, and Ryan the handle. I could send you the set of diamond back skins that I have if you need them. How does that sound?
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That's a great idea Gordon.
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My wife is an artist and she does all my lettering. She could do the same for this bow if that's cool with everyone.
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wow step away for a couple days and everything happens. like i said before the arras could also be done in stages too. somebody can fletch, do nocks , crest, mount the points. if not i'll do it all. peace
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Well here is the updated list. Keenan you still want to knap points? Or did somebody else offer to do that?
[ x ]Dano - Roughing out (send to me)
[ ]Me- Tillering (send to Keenan)
Matt Newcomb
9006 Horn Road
Windham, OH
[ ]Keenan - Skins and Overlays (also knap points? send to Gordon)
[ ]Zane - Sanding (send to Gordon)
Keith Lasseigne
545 South Silver Lake Ave
Medical Lake, WA 99022
[ ]Gordon - Finish. (send to Ryan )
[ ]Ryan - Handle Wrap (send to wherever we decide the finished bow goes to)
The following people send their items to whoever the finished bow goes to.
[ ]Jamie - Quiver
[ ]Dane - Bowsock, Presentation Certificate
[ ]Jamie- Arrows (Shafts, Fletching,)
[ ]Keenan - Knapped Points (Also skins and overlays)
[ ]Brian and Matt - Knife (talk about it and decide who wants to do it)
Let me know as you get each thing done so I can mark it on here.
Matt
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that sounds good to me. ;D
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Sounds great, Glad to be a part. How many points are we needing? If we are talking about a full dozen we might want to spit it up between a couple people. I getting better at points but have't ventured into the arrow making much further than that.
Gordon thanks for the vote of confidence. From a guy of your talents and skill thats humbling to here. Keenan
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Wow, were really takin shape here. Matt watcha wanna do bout the knife?
Brian
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Glad to see you guys are zeroing in. Looks like ya'll got it figured out. Looking forward to the finished product. We(Southern) are going with 6 arrows total(I think). Some with stone points and some with field points. If ya'll are going with any cane arrows, I have some target points that Kenneth made for cane arrows. I'll send you what you need.
Dane, Would you make a presentation certificate for us nice southern boys down here...huh? Pat
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Glad to see you guys are zeroing in. Looks like ya'll got it figured out. Looking forward to the finished product. We(Southern) are going with 6 arrows total(I think). Some with stone points and some with field points. If ya'll are going with any cane arrows, I have some target points that Kenneth made for cane arrows. I'll send you what you need.
Dane, Would you make a presentation certificate for us nice southern boys down here...huh? Pat
Sure enough, if I got your strange Southern lingo right. :)
Actually, I'm from the west coast, so I am not sure if I belong in either camp. I just happen to live up north now.
What I need, once everyone has each job decided, is the full names of each person and what they contributed.
Dane
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Thanks Dane. We will get that info to you when we are done.
ps. we might be doing 12 arrows. No definate decision made yet. Pat
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Sounds great, Pat.
I calculated warp and weft this morning, and will be warping the loom soon. Any idea what the lenth of this bow is going to be? Tip to tip, please, just around if not exact, so I don't weave the fabric too short.
Width is not as important for making the sock.
Thanks,
Dane
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Sorry guys.......was gone for a couple of days at a tournament in Omaha. I am willing to make a knapped knife with either a wood or antler handle. If you need points for the arrows I can whip some up in short order.
Give me a time table and what you want and I will get to work.
Matt
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Hey Matt I'd be happy to let you handle the points or we could spilt it up My schedule is starting to get stacked, but I'll cover whatever you don't want on the points. Keenan
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Man!!! this is coming together great. I got the bow sent off to Matt Newcomb today, it's 66" roughly 1 5/16" wide.
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You guys had a slow start but someone kicked it into low gear and off ya go!! I'm even enjoying seeing you Yankees doing good.
Them southern boys(I are one) jumped right in and blew their wad right away. Now the confusion and termoil builds as we stew in our own laziness. OH! what will we'uns do!..........in your dreams Yankee scum!!! A bow for a bow and an arrow for an arrow! Let the good times roll( I wish I knew the origional French) Pat
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What have we decided on the knife? It would seem to me if were gonna have stone arrowheads, we should have a stone knife....I dont have those skills; my son is the rocknocker in the family ;D. He's not quite to that skill level..... yet.
Brian
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"Lasse le bon temp rouler"---let the good times roll--title of famous song in N.O., Louisiana---see and you yankees thought uz southern folk were ined-ucated---HA...bob
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Further uz cra'kers helpz each utter ! ha-ha- Anyway -you guys sound like you are coming along just fine...........bob
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what was decided on the weight. im gonna glue up the footings this week but would like an idea of what spine. ive found these arras to shooot off anything so it doesnt need to be exact.
also whoever is knapping send me the points unless someone else wants to do the hafting.shouldd i do the whole thing or does someone want to do the fletching.
also pick a quiver from below
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/coyotebow/quivers/Picture053.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/coyotebow/quivers/Picture012.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/coyotebow/quivers/Picture010.jpg)
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I vote for the second one Jamie, There all nice though. ;D
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Jamie I like em all, but the 2nd one really stands out to me
Brian
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I can do the points and the knife. Three points right? Do you want them to be the same or do you want some variety? Just wondering.
Matt
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All these strange dialects and languages...just proves that you Southern boys need to take ESL classes so we'alls can understand ya'alls.
I had a thought - would the recipients of the two bows like to have photos of various stages of bow construction, so they can see how it all came together? That is predicated on each guy taking photos, but that doesn't seem to be an issue in these here parts.
Dane
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Dane................Waz' ESL ?-......bob
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English as a Second Language. Or is it In-glish? :)
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hey matt i plan on doing a half dozen for now so 3 is fine . i can whip some up if i get the chance to do another half dozen. thanks. i figured it would be the back quiver just figured id give yall a choice.
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I like the 2nd quiver also.
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...I vote for 2 nd one also though Iam not involved in this...........bob
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Dane-But I am american-why should I speak "in-glish ?"---ha.....on another note-I take it y'all are making 2 bows ?.............bob
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Sometimes my sense of humor gets derailed, you know. Sorry for the confusion. I still, though, think that Southerners speak a different language than the rest of the nation. I'm sticking with that story!
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Dane-ha-ha-ha............... my sense of humor is dry-no confusion.its all good.......bob
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Hey guys I got the bow today. I have to straighten it a little bit so the tips lign up and then I will tiller it. I shouldn't have it for more than a week. I liked how it was packaged. The wood plug is a good idea.
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Hey I got the tips ligned up. Now I noticed that the stave has maybe 1 inch of deflex starting about in the middle of the handle. I will tiller it to maybe 15 inches then reflex it with the heat gun. Since the deflex starts in the handle do you want to go with a slight d/r shape or straight reflex? I'd say keep it simple stupid and go with straight reflex, but I can go either way. This is an EXCELLENT piece of osage. I dont think I have ever seen a cleaner or straighter piece in my life. Its gonna be a piece of cake to tiller. Let me know.. I will start to tiller it tomorrow.
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Glad to hear it got to ya safe and sound. Yep it is a dandy piece of wood, I left it thick if you wanted to chase another ring, the first 3 or 4 rings were pretty thin. I like the simple straight reflex idea, but hey the bow's in your court ;D
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matt what weight are you gonna tiller it to?
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Looks pretty good on the one you chased. The rings below it aren't too much bigger so I will just leave it where its at. I might take a quarter inch off the handle though because its probably close to 2 inches thick right now. If the person doing the handle reduces it it might affect the draw weight (haha ok maybe 2 pounds), so I will take a little bit off of it right now.
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Oops Jamie I didnt see your question until just now. I am thinking mid 50s so after sanding and breaking in it will be right around 50. Sound right?
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sounds good to me. i'll start the shafts tomorrow afternoon
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Matt, Can you post some pictures as you go along? ??? I think we would all like to see the progress as each step is taken. ;)
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Ok here is the bow at 13" with about a 4 inch brace. The right outer limb is a little stiff. I touched up the tiller a little bit after this and then reflexed it. I will take the clamps off tomorrow and see what we have for reflex. The stave started with about 1" of natural deflex, and I am hoping for at least 1" of reflex off the form.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y58/mnewcomb59/DSCF3403.jpg)
The right limb had the most deflex as the kink was in its fade. If you look close you can see a little bump. That is where it bends back from.
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She's looking good Matt.
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looking very good
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Just thought I would poke around up north a little and see what yall were up to! ;)
The tiller is looking mighty good so far, us johnny rebs better get a move on before yall leave us behind! ;D
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I believe the North won last time because we were technelogically SUPERIOR ;D
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Yeah that probably had a lot to do with it. ;)
This time around I think both the north and the south are going to be victorius...from the quality bow's I've seen posted on this site, there is way too much talent nation-wide to not have an end result of a couple of really nice bows!
Hey Ryano, any chance you might consider wearing gray camo instead of blue and helping us put those big nice recurves on our bow that you're famous for? ;D
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I believe the North won last time because we were technelogically SUPERIOR ;D
Dano, quite with the code and use words all of us can understand. ::)
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Sorry Lonnie, I was raised in South "ern" Californy ;D
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Holy wuh eh, u guys id awedsome, dats gunna be da one nice bow eh!
Yooper ;D
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Thanks Greg, but I don't think I want to attempt that on a wood Ive never worked before, besides These guys might hang me for betrayal..... :o :D
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Hey guys its comin along. Out of the form it took too much reflex in one spot, so I reheated it and made it more even. After sitting for a few days of re-hydrating I strung it up and it looks like I have to get the string tracking in the middle of the handle.. Just thought I would give you an update.
Matt
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Is this ever a great thread!
You guys are having way too much fun...
Comical with the Southern boys peeking in.
Keep up the good work!
Tara
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And now, a report from the work' o' the weaver. This is for the bow sock.
I've calculated the warp thread lenght requirements, which will come out to a 74" piece of fabric 8" wide, to allow for the actual sewing, waste, shrinkage, etc. Warp is the term for the long threads in a piece of fabric. Weft is the threads going across.
The bow sock will be woven out of 100% Harris wool. I chose red for a couple of reasons. It looks nice, and it evokes a kill, if the bow will be used for hunting.
The images you see are measuring the warp on a contraption called a warping board. I needed 140 threads x 110" length. That comes out to, believe it or not, 15,400 inches of thread, just for this small piece of fabric. Extrapolate a bit, and you can appreciate what our ancestors had to do to just keep clothing on thier backs.
The next step is to warp the loom, and then weave this sucker. Prroably I wont be able to do that for a week or so, but it will happen fairly soon.
More pics later, of course.
Dane
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You're handweaving a bow sock? Wow, that's really cool.
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Thanks, Gordon. I plan to use tablet weaving to make an interesting boarder, perhaps for the top flap, and use reverse twist linen threads to make the tie.
Dane
PS Part of why the Yankess won the Civil War is because of industrial production, including the textile industry. Seems a bit appropriate, eh? :)
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Dane, you are a man of many talents!!
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Nice Dane! I never seen that done before..... ;D
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Dane, what type of loom is that?
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Dano, Ryan, thanks! I try.
Buck, that is not a loom. It is a warping board. What that is is a large square frame with pegs. You use it to measure the warp length. For instance, you need a thread 85" long. You then tie that thread to one peg, and loop the thread on any of the pegs - called the warp path.
Why you do this is so you can create the warp chains, which are the things in the last photo, bundles of 20 threads each. This is just to keep the threads in order when I set up the actual loom. The threads travel through a metal screen called a reed, and then through metal wires called heddles, then finally, to the back of the loom, where a round back beam with a ratchet device to give all the threads the tension you need. The heddles move up and down in a certain order, and are controlled by foot pedals called treadles. So, you push down on treadle one and three, every other thread moves up, and you send the weft thread between those threads. You lift two and four, and the weft is sent through those threads. They all interlock, and there you have fabric.
Did that make sense? I will show pics of the loom once it is set up, and as things progress. It will make sense then.
Dane
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Thanks. Yes, it made sense - well a little. I have done a small amount of weaving using an inkle loom. As a Hysterical Reinactor and someone who participates in living history encampments, I try to make most of my own stuff. I try to weave my own leg ties, quiver straps, sashes, ect. Card weaving is next on my list of weaving skills just so I can weave some different patterns. I don't know that I will ever progress past that point and become a "real weaver" (using a large loom that is). I am not sure that I have the attention span for it. lol
I'm looking forward to the pictures.
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I like the term hysterical reenactor, very good, Buck. I've been thinking of Roman reenacting, and that has led me to composite bows. Gods help me, :) I hope actually to start constructing one early this year.
A large loom is just a bigger loom than a small loom. Not that hard to do the basics - warping the loom is actually the most fun for me, and you just have to focus very hard to make sure you get the threads in order, so they don't cross each other. One thread for one heddle, etc. The work itself is kind of hypnotic, and goes fast.
Dane
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Okay, since some of you are interested in all this, more pics of the weaving process, for the bow sock.
These four shots show what happens after the warp chains are created on the warping board. I am holding the bundle, with each thead in the right order, which is critical when you actually warp the loom.
The second one shows me pulling the thead through the reed with a slaying hook. I am standing and looking down in this shot, so that is the floor and the treadles you see.
The third shot is how the threads look after slaying is completed, and finally, in the last shot, I have begun to thread each thread through the heddles.
After that, I tie off the threads on the back bream, do the same with the front beam, rachet up the tension, and I can begin to weave the fabric.
Dane
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On another quick scouting mission over to the Northern side...and I don't like what I see! How you expect us rebs to hold our own when yall got all that new fangled "technelogically SUPERIOR" equipment? ;D Heck, all we could scrounge up for a bow sock was to make one out of an old tater sack! ;)
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Maybe us Yanks have the good technology, but you rebs have the leadership on the field of battle. Or so the rumor says, :) is it true? A tater sack..that is so sad. :)
But, I bet you it is some sort of sneaky rebel trick. And don't be wrapping your secret plans around some cigars. It didn't work too well the first time.
Darn, I said too much.
Okay, kids, a few more shots of the weaving process. This is the last set I will post until I finish the fabric. Shoot, I should not be up past midnight messing around with looms, and I am going to feel it in the morning!
The first shot shows the threads, all 140 of them, in the heddles and the loom completely set up.
The second shot shows the threads from the view of sitting in front of the loom, with two of the tredles depressed. You can see the boat shuttle in the top right part of the shot. It contains a bobbin, and I shove the thing to the left (and the right, and the left, and the right), over and over. As the fabric grows, I depress a foot pedal and a break, and it feeds me more threads, through the bobbins and reed. The tension is constantly changing slightly as your fabric grows, as that shifts the area the shuttle can travel through, so it all has to be factored in.
Finallly, you can see me beating a weft thread into the work. It pivots at the bottom, so you can pull it foward toward you.
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Hey Dane,
Shouldn't you have chosen blue for your fabric color? ;) You can make us a gray one while you're at it...wouldn't want you to feel sad about our tater sack sock! :)
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Can't wait to see the finished product Dane. Them Rebs is gunna be hangin their heads ;D
Dana
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Thats pretty cool! ;D
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Hey Dane,
Shouldn't you have chosen blue for your fabric color? ;) You can make us a gray one while you're at it...wouldn't want you to feel sad about our tater sack sock! :)
Blue, eh? Does that color have some sort of meaning? :)
I will consider a gray one, but only consider it. These things are a lot of work. After all, I am going create you Reb's certificate, and that is already crossing into the enemy camp. Your tater sack sock sounds pretty good; be sure the letters on the sack are visible, to give it that more Ma and Pa Kettle vibe. If you throw in a few potatoes, it will be even better.
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Ryan, Dana, thanks guys. Coming along.
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Dave, just continuing to have fun with this yank and reb thing. The north wore blue, the rebs gray (or whatever they could find most of the time). Just kidding around, remember I mentioned before that my sister is married up with a yank and lives in Maine. Maine is where Chamberland was from and eventually became Governor, he held us rebs back at Little Round Top, Gettysburg! ;)
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Greg, I knew that - I was just being stupid :) Considering the early war volunteer regiments had almost any range of colors you can imagine, any color would be War Between The States-approved. I was thinking of calling this sock "Zouve Red". All you need is a fez instead of a regular flap to protect the bow - how is that for weird?
Even late war has some interesting uniforms going on, 'specially on you'all's side, with butternut shades, Richmond Grey, etc. and etc. And usually, the trousers were all sky blue on both sides. I have even seen captured US belts being flipped upside down and used by the southern boys.
I used to be a CW living history guy. I still have my old frock coat, brogans, all that. 4th US Infantry was my unit - Regulars, not those rag-tag state regiments, by God. I occassionally went over the the dark side, as the Rebel Yell was just too much fun, and the Reb camps were always way more fun at night. Before that, I did live fire NSSA stuff, including cannon, which is just way too much fun. Got sick of cleaning my 3 band after a while, so I swtiched over to field music. A fife made life simple. :)
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You guys,
If I can find the Ram's horn's in the freezer (There should be two) Could you use it for something to do with this project?
I dont want to hold anyone up, so if I do not find it by Monday it means its not there. The Rams name was: "Tug of War"
Dane: Good job there, Looks to be a twill weave from here.
About dressing the loom...arg...that was the part I use to dread the most.
Pretty near took a week at times. A very time consuming process. Its good
to see a weaver on board. Now I know who I can brainstorm with.
T.
PS. wouldnt it be awful to accidental post on the opposing side?!
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T, good to meet a fellow weaver. I actually like setting up the loom best. Just like making bows, you can just go off in your own world, focusing on something good instead of the white noise of life.
It is a tabby, actually. Maybe these last shots will show that?
Well, everyone, I finished the inital piece of cloth. I have decided to weave a second piece - you will have to wait and see what I eventually do with it. It might be a while, since work has been, so far, three weeks straight without a weekend off, so I am a bit wiped out.
Last shots for now. In the first one, you can see a full picture of my loom, with the cloth partially finished.
The second one is the fabric washed and now drying. Muchs softer now.
The last one is a pretty lousy shot of the weave, a tabby, if you can make it out.
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Dane: What a difference in visuals. On the previous set of pic.'s (middle shot) You can see a diagonal pattern.
Next time I get a chance to "dress" a large loom I think I may borrow you. T.
...oh yeah, I am suppose to be digging in the freezer for something.
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Dane, my oldest brother does civil war re-enacting...probably his only hobby. The only time I've watched him he had crossed over as a yank. They were attacking confederate lines when my brother dropped his weapon and took off running and screaming "we're all going to die!". Some of the other yanks shot him down. ;D
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T, thanks. I see what you mean. Next weaving project, I am doing a twill. I wonder if the digital images will make it look like a tabby? :)
Gregg, the battles were fun, and I did my share of dying. 1860s medicine must have been really advanced, as we always somehow got resurrected.
I would have shot him in the back too, :) A double traitor, I'd say. I hope your bro isn't farb.
Pepe (aka Doug) is or has done CW living history. He's around here somewhere.
Totally off subject, but I am chefing a gourmet bbq for a CW battle this coming June at my trolley museum. I'm thinking of grilled salt pork, they'd love that, not.
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Sad to say, "Tug of War's" horns are not in the freezer!
*********Any updates to the bow/arrows etc.******
PS. Dane: Strange, isnt it. By the way, your loom looks similar to what I use to have.
Mine was a 45" counterbalance.
T.
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Tara, I had to go check the loom when I got home. It is a Leclerc Nilus model jack loom, 60", with four shafts. I love that loom, and don't see myself getting another one for a long time, if ever. I will be building an ancient upright weighted frame loom sometime soon, for speical projects, but I'm happy with this one. Oh, I just got a spinning wheel, and am excited about spinning my own yarn. Much cheaper that way, and I can dye the fibers any colors I want. I won't ever be raising my own sheep, however :)
It was owned by a professional weaver for years, and someone before it, so I am the third owner. I was lucky, and just in the right place at the right time to buy it.
Dane
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All right yose guys, wake up and get some discussion going on! Us rebs seem to be a mite more long winded. What's going on with that northern bow? As quiet as yall are one might think its top secret, why...the Manhatten Project leaked more information! ;D
Yeah I know, go back down south where I belong! ;)
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Well I tillered it about out all the way today. Tomorrow I will finish up. I still can't get the string to track right. Anyone good at it? If not I can fiddle with it some more...
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Matt, how far off is it. Prolly my pitiful layout that caused it. :( Send it back to me, I'll fix it, or make another.
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Usually you can correct string alignment problems by steaming the handle and using a press. I've done that lots of times, but it should be performed before the skins go on. Keenan you're next in line - are you familiar with doing that?
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Its not that far off... lol Don't worry. Its outside of the handle when its strung, but don't worry you did an excellent job. I can probably fix the string alignment myself unless someone wants to do it. I can steam it. I only tried dry heat before. Also, I used a form and a heat gun to do the reflex and the belly is brown. Its not like charred or anything, but do you want me to scrape the color off? I might lose a few pounds, but I still have a few pounds left to go on the tiller.
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Sounds Great Guys, Yes Gordon I can handle dialing in the string aliagnment if needed. This is getting exciting. Keenan
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You guys are awful quite. Are you planing a sneek attack or something? ;D
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Ya, whats happening there Matt? ::) your not a under cover agent for the south are ya? ??? just kidding, how about some pictures of your progress? ;D
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I was wondering if yall had surrendered already or just building up for a sneak attack. ;D
Pappy
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Might be the calm before the storm! ;D
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Haha its goin good. And no, I aint workin for them damn rebs... I'll get some pics up here today. My form gives it more reflex towards the tips, and with the deflex in the handle it ended up lookin like a mellow r/d profile. I'll have those pics up soon.
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Well I forgot to get the latest full draw picture. This is the most recent I have though. Where it is circled is where I removed wood next. That evened it up pretty good. After that I took a little bit of the midlimb and it was pretty even. I decided to call it quits. I think its right around 53#, but I'm willing to bet my scale isn't perfectly accurate. I sanded it to 100 grit and I'm ready to send it off.
Here is the full draw picture.
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Here it is braced.
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And unbraced.
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Nice work. Matt, what are the dimensions on that bow tip to tip, and how about the handle, as well? I need to know to make sure the bow sock I am making will be large enough.
You sure you are not working with the Rebs? They are a pretty good group of guys, even if they have the wrong colored suits. Be careful about some of that weird food, though!
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[ x ]Dano - Roughing out (send to me)
[ x ]Me- Tillering (send to Keenan)
Matt Newcomb
9006 Horn Road
Windham, OH
[ ]Keenan - Skins and Overlays (also knap points? send to Zane)
[ ]Zane - Sanding (send to Gordon)
Keith Lasseigne
545 South Silver Lake Ave
Medical Lake, WA 99022
[ ]Gordon - Finish. (send to Ryan )
[ ]Ryan - Handle Wrap (send to wherever we decide the finished bow goes to)
The following people send their items to whoever the finished bow goes to.
[ ]Jamie - Quiver
[ ]Dane - Bowsock, Presentation Certificate
[ ]Jamie- Arrows (Shafts, Fletching,)
[ ]Keenan - Knapped Points (Also skins and overlays)
[ ]Brian and Matt - Knife (talk about it and decide who wants to do it)
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Looking good Matt I hope both these sets bring what they should and people know how many folks put in a lot of work to make it happen.
Pappy
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jamie, i just saw a picture of the arrows you made for the last community bow (the 2-fletched ones). awesome stuff. do you have any more pictures of them? can't wait to see your arrows for this one ;D
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Looks like a really nice job on the tiller Matt!
Dane, us rebs are just acting nice trying to lure you yanks down south to eat some of our good southern cookin' so we can confiscate some of the beautiful bows yall make! ;D
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Oops sorry I didn't see your post until just now. I didn't take any measurements except for when I first got it. This is all from memory, so bear with me. The bow is 66" tip to tip and 1.25" at the fades. The handle is about 1.75" thick. I will check and get a definite measure tonight.
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Looks like a really nice job on the tiller Matt!
Dane, us rebs are just acting nice trying to lure you yanks down south to eat some of our good southern cookin' so we can confiscate some of the beautiful bows yall make! ;D
So, Greg, the plot thickens. I guess that means Yankee bows are superior, and those pretty southern bows are really just nice wall hangers?
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Oops sorry I didn't see your post until just now. I didn't take any measurements except for when I first got it. This is all from memory, so bear with me. The bow is 66" tip to tip and 1.25" at the fades. The handle is about 1.75" thick. I will check and get a definite measure tonight.
Matt, those measurements are good enough for my purposes. Thanks.
Dane
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Awesome tiller job Matt.
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Dane, our reb bows do make good "wall hangers", but that's an awful waste of a good hunting bow in my opinion. What they're best suited for is providing "wall hangers" in the form of the antlered variety, not to mention freezers stuffed full of venison and other sort of meat baring critters! We just wanted some beautiful yank bows to hang on our walls for ornaments/trophies so we don't have to retire our hunting selfbows as quickly for that same purpose. ;D
Your turn... ;)
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What can I say to top that, Greg?
This is secret stuff, so don't tell anyone, but yankees generally just go to the butcher section of the super market and get it all cut up and ready to cook, easy like. Therefore, we have lots more time to make very pretty bows. You have to be careful not to try hunting in aisle three, though - cops don't understand the art of stalking a pound of pork chops. Those things are really frisky, and if you step on a twig, you have to settle for ground round.
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Excellant response Dane! I didn't want to be to rough on you...at least not until after you get that purty bow sock made and sent to us rebs! ;D
So how did the Desert Fox's brother end up resting in your neck of the woods? POW?
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Thanks, Gregg. Okay for a guy who has worked 33 days in a row with no time off.
I am not sure why he ended up in Greenfield, but he was a minister in town. The local historian told me about this quite a few years back, so the details are fuzzy as to why he settled in the US, let alone iin New England. Maybe he liked maple syrup? :) The other really famous dead guy was the man who surveyed the transcontinental railroad, and up and died of fever from a clipper ship trip, after dodging grizzly bears and hostile natives, on foot every step of the way. His name eludes me this second, though. Judah, something like that.
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Hey guys them southern boys is allready flingin arras out of that stick they made. And they got 15 pages compared to our 10 pages of post. I'm a thinkin we need to plan a surpize attack. Keenan
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Yall just be sure to post the plans for that surprise attack, we ain't lookin'! ;D
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hey gentle man just touched back down on earth. been swamped. i glued up the footings about 15 minutes ago. bow looks great i'll reinforce the nocks tomorrow and have the lot of em turned down by wednesday.
tore the kitchen out of my house and had to rewire the back side of the house . thats where my shop is so it didnt have juice untill this morning. now i have to build cabinets. lol.peace
oh yeah who is mounting the points me or keenan or whoever
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Hey Jamie sounding great, we could work it however. It would probably be cheaper for me to send the points to you. Am I doing all of them and if so how many total? Seems like I remember something being said about splitting it up 3 and 3 or something like that. But we can make it work however. Thanks Keenan
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keenan i'll mount em. i already tapered 3 for points so the other 3 can be stone. im in the process now of reinforcing the nocks with a purple heart sliver and of course i ran out of glue. ill pick some up this afternoon and finish em up. should have the whole set done by tomorrow afternoon. peace
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Hey fellows just got back home today. My next tdy isn't untill the end of March so where is that piece of Osage? My boys didnt destroy my entire garage while I was out so I still have sandpaper at the ready..
keith
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zane
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keenan the shafts will be fletched today. i was thinking that you should hold onto the points and ill send the shafts to you. that way you can fine tune the arrows if need be . sound good.
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Sounds great Jamie, looking forward to seeing your craftsmanship. Keenan
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That tiller looks gret Matt.
Dane, I really enjoyed the posts on weaving. Just seeing that loom made me remember my summer working in the weaving room at Callaway Mills here in JawJa. We had 4 rows of 6 of the large industrial models of looms. My job was dolpher. That meant I went down the row with a full cart of thread bobbin's on one side of me and a cart of empty bobin spindles on the other side. I took the empties off with one hand and put full bobbins on with the other. LOL's...thats was a loooong summer. ;D and those shuttles could get dangerous sometimes and fly off too.
Thanks Dane.
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Hey Matt whats the hold up buddy? lets get this thing rollin, them southerners are fixen to clean are clocks if we dont get this weapon shootin soon! :o
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heres the shafts . they will be fletched tomorrow. purple heart on sitka.
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Jamie, those are awesome, nice work.
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Dose are pretty!
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Very impressive! 8)
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Jamie those are outstanding.
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Wow Jamie those are awesome!!!, I'll do my best with the points, Those are definately worthy of some fine stone. Very nice work Bro. I'm impressed Keenan
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Its on its way to Keenan. He should be getting it soon. Those arrows look fantastic Jamie! I especially like the cresting. :)
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very nice jamie, but then again, we didn't expect any less from a master fletcher like you ;D can't wait to see the fletching.
by the way, do you have any more pictures of the set you made for the last project? I think you had goose feathers 2-fletch style on them. those were awesome too.
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thanks guys. at times i get annoyed with how long they take to make but after shooting em i realize why i make the effort. marius i'll look and see if i can find some pics. these will end up with more traditional fletching with a red silk spiral wrapping. peace
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I've been following this and things are looking good. Reminds me of the other 2 CB projects we had in the past, one of which crashed and burned. Actually I think we had 2 that crashed and burned. The EuroCB didn't make it last time around either
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Jamie, Will you tell us about the cresting? Very unique and good looking. Pat
ps. your footings look ok too! lol
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pat aside from doing them by hand they were easy. i use paint markers and just draw them on. i keep telling myself to build a cresting jig and im sure in a few years i'll get to it. lol
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Why bother Jamie. Just something else to clutter up the shop. With work like that you don't need no stinking cresting jig. Pat
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heres the fletching for the stone points . the field points are getting some turkey feathers a friend of mine dyed red.
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very nice. i like how the color of the wrap is repeated in the cresting.
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Very nice, Jamie. You yanks do pretty good work. Pat
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Awesome Jamie, The colors are great. What do you all think for color of the points. I made a couple yesturday out of some striped obsidian. But I have black, black with gray strips, clear/smokey brown, mahogany(black w/ red), punkin(brownish orange), gold flake obsidian and some rainbow. It's some times hard to see the rainbow colors in the points though. Also do we want these square based or barbed ? I know many states that you can't hunt with barbed. Keenan
I'll dig through the rock pile I may be able to find a piece of red jasper big enough.
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That tiller looks gret Matt.
Dane, I really enjoyed the posts on weaving. Just seeing that loom made me remember my summer working in the weaving room at Callaway Mills here in JawJa. We had 4 rows of 6 of the large industrial models of looms. My job was dolpher. That meant I went down the row with a full cart of thread bobbin's on one side of me and a cart of empty bobin spindles on the other side. I took the empties off with one hand and put full bobbins on with the other. LOL's...thats was a loooong summer. ;D and those shuttles could get dangerous sometimes and fly off too.
Thanks Dane.
Thanks for the kind words, JPitt. Sorry, I've been so busy with work, I have had almost zero time for the board, or for anything else lately.
Those industrial looms are facinating beasts. They have a museum in Lowell, the Boot (sp?) mill, a preserved 19th century mill that is a National Park now, and when they crank up all 20 or so looms, it is almost deafeing, and the room shakes.
I finished card weaving a border, and so just have to get to sewing the sock together, then starting the Southern boy's sock. They saved the tater sack, thankfully.
Dane
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Wow, those arrows are really something Jamie!
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Jamie, if those were my arrows, I would be terrified of using them at all, for fear of breaking or loosing them. Your work is fantastic.
Dane
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compliments from fellas who do work as good as you all do means a lot. thank you.
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Dane, what's that...getting ready to start the southern bow sock? I guess you got some gray yarn in stock? ;D
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Don't worry about a thing, Greg. The materials are all ready, it is just getting a bit of time to get it woven. I came off a 35 days or so straight with no time off, and after one Sunday off, here I am back to a few more weeks with no time off. I'll get it done, even if I have to skip some sleep, though. I'm already a zombie - "must...eat...brains." Can't get much worse :)
Dane
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finished. they will go out tomorrow. have snow to plow today
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Man jamie them are nice.Someone will love those.
Pappy
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awesome jamie, absolutely beautiful
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Dane, we appreciate it...but on a serious note if it is putting to much of a burden on you we can come up with something else. Pappy's wife has made some bow socks out of different pattern materials that we can use instead of your purty woven one. ;)
There wouldn't be any hard feelings from us rebs, I kind of got you into this without knowing your workload.
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Greg, thanks, but no sweat on the sock. I didn't have this severe a workflow when I said yes. And, I keep my word.
Dane
PS I think some gray can be incorporated into it, don't worry.
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Dane, we really appreciate your helping out the southern cause! ;D
I've said it before, and I'll say it again..."you're alright for a yank!". ;)
Seriously, thanks!
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My pleasure. And that is a great honor, getting a nod from one of you Southern boys.
Really, I am glad you asked, so I could contribute in a small way to the amazing bow and gear you guys are crafting. My little bit will help protect a world class weapon, and that is worth a bit of lost sleep.
Dane
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Those arrows are super nice. Stand by while I hum 'proud to be an american...'
J. D. Duff
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We're listenin'! ;D
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Dane, Your effort is appreciated by all of us Southern Boys. Just watch your back! Southern sympathisers were hung 100+ years ago. The Run Away Rail Road also heads south if needed.
On our next Community Bow Project, instead of North and South or East and West we ought to do a Democratic or Republican....oh! never mind. It will never work! LOL Pat
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I'm in for that Pat,only problem I may have to do it all my self.
Pappy
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Dane, Your effort is appreciated by all of us Southern Boys. Just watch your back! Southern sympathisers were hung 100+ years ago. The Run Away Rail Road also heads south if needed.
On our next Community Bow Project, instead of North and South or East and West we ought to do a Democratic or Republican....oh! never mind. It will never work! LOL Pat
Thanks Pat. And if they have the rope all ready, I'm going to do a quick retrograde down south. I know some food talk now, so I should be able to fit in. How much stuff can I fit in my carpetbag is all I want to know :)
How about a just plain old American bow? "Course, both these bows are. :)
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Pat fer the democrat I guess we would need a pink bow with a floral pattern and most definetly would need a back(bone) of some type ;D ;D
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Pat fer the democrat I guess we would need a pink bow with a floral pattern and most definetly would need a back(bone) of some type ;D ;D
Hear hear!
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I knew that would get things started. :o Pat
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Oh, no. Okay, well...the Republican bow has to very conservately made. It should be dyed grey, and use elephant hide for the handle. It should be very compassonate when hunting, but kill it's prey dead as dirt. It should be made using sound budgeting during planning the project, but things may get out of hand, and it will cost a huge fortune. Each arrowhead should cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.
The Democrate bow should be really red in color, in honor of labor and other red stuff, :). It should be made to be used for all archers, for all purposes, even if it fails to satisfy any real use. It should be paid for by someone else, not the bow maker. It should be designed by a huge committee, who will all disagree on what they want the bow to do. And in case of accident, the individual shooting the bow can not be held accountable.
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Right on the money Dane!
Maybe Ross Perot will run again
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Quote from the forum rules guys.....lol.
"Rules, rules. Yeah we have to have a few rules but they're simple and straight forward so please read them and help make this site a great family friendly place to be.
Rule #1
NO discussion of politics!" :o
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You got it, Ryan. But, in my defense, I didn't start it. Some other kid did. I'm innocent, I tell you. :)
Dane
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Durned ol' Pat-always instigatin' trouble ;D
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......Oh boy-I've got a headache ! :(.....bob
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Yep! I knew as soon as I posted it, there would be trouble. I hate it when Evan Williams talks me into doing stuff. ;D Pat
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I think as punishment we should send Pat all our unfinished, nightmare bow projects. I've heard it's good theropy. We'll either cure him or help him over the edge. LOL Keenan
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Yep! I knew as soon as I posted it, there would be trouble. I hate it when Evan Williams talks me into doing stuff. ;D Pat
I almost hate to ask, but who is Evan Williams? I always blame Poe's Imp of the Perverse, myself.
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I think this may be an insidious plot by them southern boys to distract us while they mount an all out offensive.
Hmmm makes ya wonder eh?
Dana
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Kentucky sour mash! Pat
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Dane, I'd say Evan Williams or some reasonable facsimile thereof probably had a lot to do with Poe's creation of his "Imp of the Perverse", not to mention Hans Pfaal and A. Gordon Pym lol. Ol' Evan, Jack, Ezra, George, and Jim get around. I'd say ol' Ed was on speaking terms with most of 'em ;D
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Hillybilly, believe it or not (and you may be shocked to hear this), but I think I am familiar with him. :) I didn't know that name, however. Thanks.
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keenan i sent out the shafts this morning along with the quiver. i forgot to taper a couple of the shafts for points and didnt realise
it till they were sent. also the nocks are cut in but unfinished so they can be adjusted to the string. the finish is gasket laquer so after mounting points and fitting nocks any clear laquer will finish up the cuts. now back to building my cabinets for the kitchen. peace
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Thanks for the heads up Jamie. Looking forward to it,,Again nice work Bro,, keenan
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Here are a few that I worked on last night. Let me know what you think so far. They are still a little rough.
On the left is clear with gray streaks
In the middle is part clear part gold flake
On the right is solid gray and black ....Keenan
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Keenan, those points look deadly!! Nice work.
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Thanks Dano, Still need to work the bases and notch and fine tune them a little. Keenan
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Wow Keenan, I didn't know you knapped. Those look great.
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very nice . i was just looking at the pics again and i swear i have the same set of points downstairs. your points are identical to the way i do mine. again, very good work. peace
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Jamie, Got the arrows and quiver yesturday,opened them up and then I had to wipe the drool off the box,,,you have some serious talent Bro.
Evryone who saw them said the same thing. WOW !!!
I won't be able to do anything on the for a day or two. We have a big hole opened up in our deck to put in a hot tub that a friend gave us. Keenan
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You get that bow yet?
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Not yet Matt, I'll let ya know when it shows. Keenan
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Ok thanks.
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glad you like em. if i ever finish this kitchen i'll send ya aset. peace
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Matt, I got the bow today. Looks real nice. It dose look like the tips alignment is off slightly. so I'll probably start there. Do we want horn tips or zebra or any other prefrenecs???? Keenan
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Ok here are the befor and after of the string alignment. Looks dead on now but I'll leave it sit till tomarrow and see if everything is still the same. Keenan
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Nice job Keenan, you made it look like majic.
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Nice job Keenan. You did a better job than I could have done. Can I see another picture of that press? How long did you steam the handle?
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Thanks Dano and Matt,
Matt I used dry heat and the long wood vice on the end of my work bench. I just lay a piece of leather in it to protect the wood against the center screw. I heated the handle areaslowly with a heat gun then I placed some rubber strips at the fades then some thicker rubber in the center opposite side of the handle.Tightened the vice untill just a hair past straight and let it cool for a few hours.
That extra wide wood vice works great for that and it does make it easier the trying to hold everything just right.
BTW your tiller job looks great !! Did you shoot it at all ? Keenan
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I shot it a little. It seemed that the arrows went right where i was looking. That was probably because the way the string was tracking made it pretty much center shot. ;) If you look, there is a little positive or negative tiller, depending on which limb is up. A few scrapes will bring it even if you want so you can flip the limbs. I might have marked which limb I was using as the top. I can't remember. I tried to leave the tips as blocky as possible so you can shape them how you want. I only rounded them minimally so I could string it easier.
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Ok guys how about some imput, Zewbra wood tips or water buff horn. I have both, here are some to compare to. I could do the skins either way as well ,,,Keenan
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Man Keenan!! either will look great, I like the buff overlays.
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One of each?
Dane
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I vote for the top one! 8)
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wow dude!
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Man I haven't checked in here in a while ,That is one fine looking bow.We may have to call in for reinforcements.
Pappy
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Do us rebs get to vote? If so, could you send those two bows down tn. way and let us have a closer look before we decide? ;D
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Greg, is the Anaconda Plan working so well, our blockade is keeping you rebs from having any good bows?
Good news is that I think I can begin weaving the southern bow sock this coming weekened. I came off 7 weeks with only one day off, then got sick (still a bit woozy, but bravly I toil on). If not this weekend, next weekend should be open for personal projects.
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I vote for the zebrawood, but both look awsome.....Brian
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zebrawood
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Ok Zebrawood it shall be. i glue them on this afternoon and will shape tomarrow. Keenan
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Sounds good Dane. Hope you continue to feel better! :)
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Man this bow is looking fantastic great job guys!!!
Dana
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I got the tips worked down today and the skins put on and trimmed. I need to give it a day or two for drying befor I sand the edges some more. It's hard to see the stripe in the zebra till it's got some finish on it.And the skin will brighten up when I descale it. Here is a sneak peak. Keenan
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Sweeet, looks great.....Brian
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Show off! Pat
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LOL not hardly Pat,,, I just don't post the pics of all the screw ups...lol Keenan
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wow
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lookin sweet Keenan ! ;D
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Wow, that really dressed the bow up!
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Thanks Guys, I'm going to meet up with Gordon next Wednssday in Portland to do the handoff on our bow. I was wandering if the arrows and quiver should go with him as well. I should be able to get those points halfted on them by then so I could take them along as well. Keenan
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Looking forward to finally meeting you Keenan. When it comes to skins and tips, you are the master!
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Man that bow is really coming along,looks great.
Pappy
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Really nice! :)
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Hey guys, how do you think we should sign the bow? -
Primitive Archer
Northern
Community
Bow
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks.
Gordon
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Hi everyone. I just finished the bow sock this Saturday. I just got a new system, with Vista, so I am pulling out my hair trying to get my camera to download, so I'll have pics up by tonight, using my laptop with XP.
Dane
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Here is the sock!
I wove it out of green wool rug yarn, instead of the red I had showed before. I just wasn't entirely happy with the last effort. The sock is trimmed with a tablet woven band, a very ancient form of weaving. I used linen thread to sew it, and let the thread show a bit around the mouth of the sock and on the edges of the band. The tie thread is reverse twisted linen thread, and is supposed to look like a bow string. I used 1000 yards of green thread on this project, believe it or not.
The sock is plenty long and roomy enough for the bow. The last thing I have to do is put a couple of fat bone or glass beads on the ends of the tie string.
So, check me off the list! Hope you guys like it, and it is worthy of the bow and the rest.
Dane
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Nice Job Dane! That really turned out nice.
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So, am I still doing the handle? ???
[ x ]Dano - Roughing out (send to me)
[ x ]Me- Tillering (send to Keenan)
Matt Newcomb
9006 Horn Road
Windham, OH
[x ]Keenan - Skins and Overlays (also knap points? send to Zane)
[ ]Zane - Sanding (send to Gordon)
Keith Lasseigne
545 South Silver Lake Ave
Medical Lake, WA 99022
[ ]Gordon - Finish. (send to Ryan )
[ ]Ryan - Handle Wrap (send to wherever we decide the finished bow goes to)
The following people send their items to whoever the finished bow goes to.
[x ]Jamie - Quiver
[ x]Dane - Bowsock, Presentation Certificate
[ x]Jamie- Arrows (Shafts, Fletching,)
[x ]Keenan - Knapped Points (Also skins and overlays)
[ ]Brian and Matt - Knife (talk about it and decide who wants to do it)
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Oops. I thought I was suposed to go to Gordon with the bow next. Planning on meeting up with him on Wednssday. Looks like I missed Zane. Not sure how I got it in my head Gordon was next. But let me know it's not to late to change things. We are suposed to conect on wednessday. Keenan
Nice job on the sock Dane. looks awesome.
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Awesome work Dane.
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Zane, are you still in line to do the finish sanding?
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Ryan,
Yes, after I put on the finish I am planning on sending the bow to you for the handle.
Gordon
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Thanks you guys.
Dane
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Finally got the time to go over this thread and all I can say is AWESOME!!! You folk sure have alot of talent and the way you share your expertise is to be commended!! The bow,arrows, points,quivers sock,all just wonderfully beautiful!! Hats off to you's!!! Impressive!! ;D ;D
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excellent job dane. if you make it down to the primitive weekend this year any chance of a demonstration?
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Hey guys, how do you think we should sign the bow? -
Primitive Archer
Northern
Community
Bow
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks. Gordon
Gordon, That sounds like a lot to write on the bows limb to me, how about a abbreviated version?
How about just : P.A.N.C.B. and then just the normal draw weight and length?
2007
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excellent job dane. if you make it down to the primitive weekend this year any chance of a demonstration?
Thanks, Jamie. If you can email me again with the dates of that meet, I'd be grateful. I fully expect to go at this point. I don't think I can lug my floor loom down to Connecticut, but maybe I can come up with something. Thanks for asking.
Dane
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Instead of P.A.N.C.B.
Call it P.A. "Yank Bow" ;D
Alright I'm leaving...just couldn't help myself! ;)
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Wow guys...the bow looks fantastic.....
Dane, Great work on the bow sock....you're a very talented weaver. ;)
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Hey fellows back from TDY and yes I can do some sanding.
keith. errr just did some back reading and if its sent to gordon allready to finish no problem I'll catch the next one..
aka Zane121
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Zane, It's going out today to you. Sorry for the delays, i just got back home Sunday and yesturday was hectic so I didn't make it to the PO. Keenan
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Wow guys...the bow looks fantastic.....
Dane, Great work on the bow sock....you're a very talented weaver. ;)
Thanks for the words, Jpitts. Sorry, been a bit distracted with work and stuff, or I would have gotten back to you sooner.
Dane
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Dane.....no problem...I know how it goes. ;D
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whats goin on with the bow.
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I believe that Zane has it now and is doing the sanding. I'm next in line then.
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very cool.
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Fellows it just arrived at the post office today but they were closed by the time I got home. I'll go pick it up on Monday and hope to send it to the next in line on Friday. I'll keep you updated now that it's almost here.
keith
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zane
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Thank you for the update Keith.
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Fellows finally picked up the Bow from the postoffice and its in great shape. That container protects it real nice.
What a piece of art. Well done. I'm busy this weekend so It'll be late Sunday/early next week before I get it sanded smooth. I'll let you know when I'm ready to ship so I can get the address.
Thanks again for letting me take part.
keith out..
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Gordon its ready where to next? Again thanks everyone for letting me see this. Seeing and touching that bow did more for my learning than reading over 10 books on bowmaking. Hopefully this summer I can keep working a piece I'm trying.
keith
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Keith, I sent you an email with my address and contact info.
Thank you for your help with this bow!
Gordon
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Gordon sent it out on Thursday so it should be there tomorrow (Monday). Thanks a lot for letting me sand. I used the power sander and got everything down to just one ring...lol..ok lame joke settle down everyone....
Looking forward to seeing the finished pictures.
Again Thanks everyone
keith
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I received the bow today. It's looking really good.
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Hey guys, glad to see things are moving along. ;D We all have lots of real( ???) stuff going on that takes priority. Just like in wood bow crafting the most important thing we can have is patience.
Those of us going to the Tennessee Classic will get to see and hold the Southern Community Bow. My only connection, besides emotional, is the string...and a damn nice string I might add! ;D
I'm looking forward to not only holding and maybe shooting OUR bow but will get to actually meet a few of its creators. Did I say how nice the string was? ::)
There is a lot of Medicine going into these Community Bows and in the future it will pass on to the recipients. I believe this will help to promote the Primitive Archer cause. ;) Pat
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I heard a rumor that this southern bow has a real purty string any truth to this rumor ;) ;D
Dana
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I heard that too. I wonder who started that rumor? ;D Pat
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Funny how quick gossip spreads, I head that string was pretty darn cool too. Justin
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Matt,
Can you tell me to what draw length the bow is tillered to?
Thanks.
Gordon
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I strung the bow and put it on a tree today in order to see how much it pulled and noticed a couple of problems. One limb is considerably weaker than the other which results in about 1/2" positive tiller. The other issue is that the bow somehow came in light - it pulls 43# @ 28". I can correct the tiller, but it will drop the weight below 40#.
What do you guys want to do?
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I forget what the length was on this bow. Can you pike it? It would make an aweful nice kids bow if you can't.
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Dano, it's 65" ntn. I suspose I could pike it, but it would be a shame with that nice skin job and Keenan's tips. I do think it would be a terrific child's or lady's bow.
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Then by all means, I think women need selfbows too. ;D
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Gordon, If the others want to pike it, that might be a good option. Wouldn't ruin the skins and we could always do some more tips.
It did seem llight to me as well but I never put it on the scale. Your tips always look awesome and if your into doing that much I'm fine with it. Keenan
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Well, unless anyone objects I go ahead and even up the limbs. Then we'll see what we have to work with.
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Doe.... :( maybe try a little heat treating? Ive raised the poundage as much as 5 pounds by heat treating the limbs and adding a little reflex.
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Ryan I don't think I want to do that as the skins were put on with hide glue. And a beautiful skin job it is - I'd hate to ruin it...
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Oh ya, I didnt even think of that. I guess my thought is to pike it to 62" and retiller. To bad he used hide glue, Ive heated bows into a light reflex that where skined with titebond. How you going to know though.... :P
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I've not piked a bow before - how much poundage do you think would be gained by removing 3"?
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3# per inch would be a modest guess Gordon.
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Im with Dano, about two or three pounds. You might be able to just pike the weak limb and ajust the tiller. What kind of glue did Keenan use for the overlays? you might be able to pop them off and reuse them.
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You might be able to just pike the weak limb and ajust the tiller
I was thinking about that. I could make it asymetrical as both limbs are presently the same length. That would probably fix it and add a few pounds.
Not sure how I could salvage Keenan's tips though.
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Gordon,
There is a formula in TBB1 in the tillering section by Jim Hamm for the amount a bow needs to be piked to pick up a given amount of weight. I don't remember it offhand, but if you'd like I'll e-mail it to you tonight.
Stan
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That would be great Stan. Thank you.
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I didn't think I could match the tips properly so I ended up piking both limbs. After giving myself enough room to clear the existing string groves, room for the new tip ends and taking a little more off the weak limb I ended with with 61" ntn. That's a little shorter than I like but it is what it is. Hopefully I won't need to adjust the tiller too much and we can keep most of the weight gain.
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Take the weight you want (40) and divide it by the weight you have (35). The amount after the decimal is the percent you want to increase. Divide that by 5 and that is the percent of limb you want to cut off. Times that by the length of the bow and that is how much you want to cut off. 40/35=1.1428 .1428/5=.0285 .0285X61=1.74 To increase a 61" bow from 35 to 40 you would cut off 1.75" or 7/8" off each limb. Justin
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Thats what I meant to say! ::) Pat
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The bow pulled 42# when it was 65". I expect it will be close to 50# when I'm done (I hope).
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I can reverse it too Gordon. It now pulls 54.9# being 61". ;D Did I mention I like math. Justin
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Justin, I am anxious to see how accurate your formula is. Should know by tomorrow.
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Justin, I would never have figured ya for a math geek ;D
DanaM
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Yes Dana, most people just figure me for a geek. Justin
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While Justin, I'm impressed...where did you get all them smarts from? ;D
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That formula was either in the traditional bowyers bible or in paul comstocks "The Bent Stick" I cannot remember for sure but its there for everyone.
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Like Stan said, it is in TBB 1. It is in the tillering section. Justin
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Any news Gordon? Hows it looking?
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Ryan, I piked the bow and put on new tips. The draw weight has definitely increased, but the tiller is still off so I didn't take it to full draw. I'll be traveling on business the rest of the week but I intend to fix the tiller this weekend. And then I will put on the finish.
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Great!
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Alright, the bow has been piked, new tips installed, tiller evened and the bow finish sanded. She came in at 48# @ 28".
We're back in the game boys!
I'll post some pics a little later today.
Gordon
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Okay, here are some pictures to whet your appetite:
(http://mysite.verizon.net/res0oeio/PA/PA01.jpg)
(http://mysite.verizon.net/res0oeio/PA/PA02.jpg)
(http://mysite.verizon.net/res0oeio/PA/PA03.jpg)
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You do some very nice tip overlays Gordan! I am liking how this bow is turning out. :)
Sean
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Lookin' good! :)
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She's looking good guys. Pat
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The bow was lettered and the first coat of Tru-Oil was applied this morning.
Correction on the draw weight - it is actually 47# @ 28". The ruler on my tree was slightly off.
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gordon do you have the arras with the bow. they should still fly at that weight just wanted to make sure they did. bow looks great.
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Jamie, I do not have the arrows. What spine and length are they?
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pictures, pictures and more pictures please
Dana
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i think they were in the 45-50 range. with footed shafts i usually spine them to bow weight and the weight forward makes em fly clean. dont remember the length
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That should be fine Jamie. Where did the arrows end up?
Dana, there are some recent pictures of the bow on the previous page.
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Gordon, that turned out nice. Is the unstrung profile still straight or did it take set from being shortened?
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Ryan, it has a little string follow. But it's not bad.
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oops missed em :-[
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Trust Gordon to fix them right ;) nice braced look!!!!!
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Wow you did good Gordon, Those tips are beautifull. I still have the arrows, almost finished with them, but broke one of the points while corner notching and hadn't finished another yet. I'll try to get that last one done this week.
Sorry I've been out of the loop lately guys. I've been going from daylight to dark for the last couple weeks and all while having a ruptured bicep.
Thought I had dislocated my elbow 10 days ago and went to the ER but the xrays didn't show anything. Found out this morning the bicep is ruptured. Surgery scheduled for next tuesday.
Hunting season 13 weeks away,,,,,bummed to say the least. I'll do my best to get my part of these projects done. Might have to get Dave to get over here to give me a hand..... Keenan
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Oh man Keenan, when it rains it pours :( I just hate to see you having all of these problems. Don't worry about those arrows. You just take care of yourself.
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Thanks Gordon, But doing ok here. I've got it much better then some, and these type challenges just build charactor, right? I will get that last arrow done and send them on to who?
Jamie did an incredible job on the arrows and the quiver, All that have seen them have drooled. Keenan
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That's a good question Keenan. Where does all of this stuff go when we are done and what happens to it then?
At any rate I'll be sending the bow to Ryan when I've completed puting a finish on it. Unfortunately I have to travel again on business this week so I won't get it done quite as quickly as I wanted.
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Gordon, My adress is 13920 Rt 19 Waterford Pa 16441 :) Cant wait to see it!
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Got it Ryan. I expect I'll be finishing her up sometime during the Memorial weekend.
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Pikeing, bending, sanding,ect..Woahh I just got back and did a little catch up reading. Well Gordon it still looks great and whatever pikeing is it seems to have worked. lol
Have a good weekend all
keith
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She's on her way to you now Ryan.
Our baby is all bathed and smelling purdy. Dress her up nice now!
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Say, who do I send the bow sock to? It's been done for ages now.
Thanks,
Dane
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You should probably send the sock to the final destination. Where that is, however, I have no idea ???
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Hmmm...that is a bit of a problem.
Anyone know?
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I contacted Pat Brennan (Pat B) and he indicated that he would be willing to photograph and hold the bow/accessories until such time we figure out what to do with them.
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Thanks Gordon. I got the bow in the mail yesterday. Its looking good! I'm thinking of adding a leather shelf and and a beaver tail wrap. 8) Should I make it with a double arrow shelf so it can be shot both left and right handed? ???
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Ryan, The Southern Bow was made with double shelf. Makes it more universal. Pat
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Ya thanks Pat, I saw the southern bow down at the classic. ;)
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Im working on the grip as we speak.....I should have finished pictures of the bow tomarrow! ;D
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Sweet, I'm looking forward to the pics Ryan!
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I just finished stitching up the grip. Man that beaver tail is some tuff stuff to sew! :P I think it looks pretty good, hope everyone else likes it.... :) I might add some string silencers as well if thats ok with every one..... ::)
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I think silencers would be great Ryan. Thanks!
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Haven't done the silencers yet. I'll do a full spread tomarrow if I can when theres more light. Here's a quick shot of the grip.
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hello?
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The handle looks good. I'm looking forward to the full spread.
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Hey, that beaver tail looks cool. I was thinking about aquiring a beaver for that purpose (their are some around here) and water rats (Nutria). Wondering what kind of materials these critters might provide? I'm thinking they have fine hairs - might work for silencers?
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They make excellent sting silencers....