Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: Pat B on January 19, 2007, 12:04:57 am
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All you Southerners speak up. Pat
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Watta you want ?.......bob
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I've got Pappy's address so I will try to get the stave shipped out Saturday. Who is knapping the arrow heads? I think that I still have a couple of spalls of good ole Missouri Burlington that I haven't reduced to gravel yet. LOL
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Guys, I wish I had more free time right now to contribute more to this. I am all exicted about it but am strapped on free time. Maybe we can do this again next year. I have a nice set of sturgeon skins that I would like to put on the next community bow.
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Shannon, As long as I'm around, we will have Community Bows. We appreciate the primo guava stave and wish you had the time, but ya gotta do what ya gotta do! There will always be next year. We will expect some moral support.
Cowboy is knapping heads for the arrows. We'll see what he says.
Bob, I just want to bother you! Pat
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good idea with the split threads. before, i always had to scroll up to that one post and look up who is who.
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Here are some pictures of a knife,see if this suits everone.If not just say so it won't hurt my
feelings,some folks say I don have any. :)Let me know and I will get on it.It has a deer leg bone for the handle and an old saw blade for the blade.
Pappy
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awesome. i love it.
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Pappy, looks like a good size to me. Is this the knife for the quiver ? Any knife is a fine knife. Wish my skills were up to you fellers. :-[ For this year, I'll be cheering you on. ;D If there is something I can do, just holler.
Dick Bernier
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Pappy,
Looks like the guava stave has a rounded belly at this point, will we want to maintain that style or flatten it out some?
Greg
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Once everyone has time to look at it and if they approve I will send it to Dustybare and he is going to get the sheath made for it.Looking for some comments.
Pappy
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Hey Pappy,
We're the only ones viewing the board at the moment, you want to go on a raid across the northern border? ;D
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Private Hillbilly reporting for duty, sir.
Nice knife, Pappy.
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Funny Hillbilly,I don;t know GregB we will look at it.It is supposed to be on the way.Can't wait.
Pappy
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I am here and plotting the tip overlays, I have some ideas but will need to see to the tillered bow to find out if it cries for anything in particular.
Pappy, the knife is great!
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Hey all, this is my first contribution to a collective effort like this, are we going to be doing pictorials as we each do our part to offer with the bows? This way whomever gets the bow gets a "baby book" so to speak.
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Count me in for emotional support for the rest of you rebs, but my skills aren't ready to tinker with the likes of this bow. I'll just watch the progress and enjoy for this go 'round. (Course, if y'all wanted to do some sabotage, I could slip over the border and offer to help with the Northerner's bow.)
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I will take some pictures as it comes along,might be cool to have a kind of build along so
everyone can see the progress.Thanks Dick,skeaterbait on the knife.What does everyone else
think.If it is OK i will get it sent off the first of the week.Hillbilly you got latrine duty. :)Just kidding.
Pappy
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Pappy, That knife is great. It is a welcomed addition to this set. I believe that guava can take a radiused belly...to what degree I don't know. Maybe check out Manny's bows from the past and see if you can tell.
I think pic will be good. Also, I think that every contributer should sign their work, indicate what you did and where you are from. Pat
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The knife looks great Pappy. The stave will be in the mail Saturday.
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I won't have much of an oppurtunity to help but I will take up a collection to help out the one's that get fired for staying on the internet LOL
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Pappy, one of the staves that I got from Manny he had roughed out. Since he roughed it out with a round belly I would bet your OK. Justin
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Thanks Knothead I may need that.Justin ,so you think it need to be rounded on the belly,I usually do Hickory fairly flat ,just radius a little.Maybe Manny will check in and tell me what is best.
Pappy
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The bow Manny sent to my son is 68"ntn 1 5/16th's outside the fades and the belly is radius, and heat treated. The limb cross section is just under 3/4th"s where it starts bending. And he flipped the last 4" of the tips about 1/2" deflection.. This bow draws 70#+ @ 29" and the limbs hold an inch plus reflex although I don't believe this bow has 300 shots yet..
Both limbs have the same dimensions lengthwise..I made a "D" style longbow as well 70" which performed well considering a knot when thru the grip section..So I'd do radius with guava.
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Pappy,
Remember we worked on a d-style hickory together that was not the best piece of wood. It required a lot of straightening to get the string to cross the handle. It was also narrower then the flat bows we make...around 1" to 1-1/8" if I remember correctly. It turned out to be a good shooter as I recall. The tillering is more time-consuming because you have to maintain that radius while removing material.
Greg
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Hello fellers I want yall to know you can count on me for morial support. Let me know if I can help other wise. Thanks Chuck
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Hey I'll still chip some points unless Cowboy is going to do them.And that Burlington sounds good also.Pappy that knife looks really cool.Like Dick said ,"you can't have too many knives".I'm also sitting on some gator skin and Python.
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Wow, this thing's really building up a head of steam!! feel like I've fallen behind already - pardon, been out working in the snow all day - at least we'd call this a snow where I'm from.
OK Pat, yessir! three points in the mail next week, won't get home till Wednesday. May have to endure stern faces from the better half, with the weather - will have to knap on kitchen floor, ha anything to avoid cabin fever. Was thinking along the line's of Ishi, pedernales, maybe dalton - longer slender style points. but then depending on who acquire's the weaponry may want something more durable? Will need an address.
Shannon: That Burlington sounds interesting, have never worked it. Might could come up with something from one of the spalls - I'll send you a PM.
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If we really want a southern bow, I've got a couple possum tail skins floating around somewhere, would complement Eddie's gators nicely. We could stain it with collard greens, and finish it with fatback grease :D
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steve---------dont forget Blac-eyed peas !...bob
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I have the stave packaged and ready to head to the post office first thing in the morning. I guess tomorrow will be the official kickoff. ;D
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Hey guys...I haven't been able to do much as of late because of my relocation. I would be happy to supply any needed materials but will unfortunately prolly not be much help elsewhere here in Okieland without tools and such. I miss all you guys...let me know if I can help..
Roger
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Roger,
It's good to see you around. I was wondering where you got off to.
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Hey Roger, man it's good to hear from ya!! was getting a little worried. Sounded like your life was getting pretty busy there for awhile. Sounds like you've moved to OK? whereabouts?
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I am in Owasso, Ok Living in an apt....sux....LOL Miss my family already
R
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Hi Roger, I figured you got pulled back into employment :o Hang in there,hopefully it will only be "temporary" ;D wish I could drive what you build..
Rich
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I'm just going to watch this project unfold.
But if I can do anything, let me know.
Sean
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Well Roger, man your up there a bit. Got a good friend - just bought a couple hundred acres down by the Red River close to Kingston, says he has thousands of bodark's - come cut all you need. I intend to take him up on it, it'd be a couple hundred mile drive for ya - be glad to cut ya in, your phone # still the same?
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Hey Cowboy,Nobody has said anything yet.Soo,,you want to knap half the points and I'll do the other half?And if you guy's want I can haft them ,I have plenty of long sinew.
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yeah Eddie. that'd be fine with me, but how many knapped points are we needing? I thought it was three stone and three trade points total. maybe we could send in a couple apeice for variety?
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Heck I don't know.Who's organizing this?Kinda starting out like the battle of Murphreesboro.I thought it was 6 knapped points and 6 field points.I have 3 tradepoints,125 grain made right now.
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here's what pat said:
Marius I usually make arrows 29" to 30". The points will be 3 field points and 3 knapped heads. Marius, I guess you have become a Southern RedNeck like us outer Southern boys.
If anyone wants to help with these sourwood arrows or make points for them or fletch or whatever, let me know and I'll get them to you. If not I'll do them myself.
If anyone is gonna do cane arrows I have some interesting field points that Kenneth made for cane and I'll send them out to you.
Looks like this project is coming to life. I'm getting excited!
My home e-mail address is: marciaandpat@citcom.net if anyone needs to contact me. Pat
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Guys, As I remember from past Community Bow Projects, this is the most difficult and confusing part. Trying to figure out what goes where and who does what. Once this is worked out, everything will calm down and slow down. Lets be parient! All who are involved and those that want to be involved need to grab a project and let Jamie know. He has started a list.
I can do either 3 or 6 arrows, all or part of the process. Justin and I have conversed and are heading in the right dirrection but have to wait for bow weight and draw lengths to be derermined before we can build arrows. If Justin wants to contribute 3 of his arrows that's OK with me or if we want 12 alltgether, that's fine too. I think that a lot will depend on the style and appearance of the bow. We want the set to match or at least compliment each other.
Our last Community Bow was an Eastern Woodland style and thus the arrows and quiver complimented that style, asmatter of fact, I believe at least some of the arrows were of the Cayuga style. This set doesn't have to be a Native American Style or any particular style for that matter. Generally when I make a bow I let the stave tell me what it wants to be. When Pappy gets the guave stave, he can make the decision as to what would be the most appropriate for the stave and the rest of us can agree or not. We will discuss it and come to a concensis. Pat
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Pat, none of us know who will wind up with the bow at this point. It is as likely to wind up a wall hanger as a hunting bow. (I know it pains me to say it to.) Anyway, I think 3 hunting arrows with stone are plenty, and three practice arrows with field points on the odd chance that someone will shoot it. However I also think that someone from PA should be present at the auction/sale. If nothing else they can buy the set for me so it don't sell to cheap. ;D Justin
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OK-so Pappy and Greg are gonna tiller the bow out, Skeaterbait's gonna put on tip overlays, and Eddie's doing the finish? Looks like we've still got a couple steps involved. I wouldn't mind doing a handle wrap or something (anything that anybody else ihasn''t already spoken for), if Eddie doesn't already have something in mind? That leaves cleaning up/sanding the bow if somebody wants that job.
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Justin, We will assume that the bow will be in the 50# to 60# range and it will be used to hunt with. If that turns out not to be the case and the final reciever hangs it on the wall, that will be a shame but for now lets assume it will be a hunting weapon.
Six arrows total will be fine and plenty. Should I do 6 sourwoods or do you want to do 3 or does someone want to make a set of 3 cane arrows? I also have metal strips that Kenneth sent to me to be used as field points on primitive arrows. Basically you slot the point end, slide in the metal with glue and when dry, shape to a point and wrap with sinew...kinda like a metal spine in the point end.
I also have rattan for handle wrap. I can send it to someone else(with directions) or I can add the wrap. Pat
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Pat, Those rattan handle wraps you do are great. Mullet, What are you going to skin the bow with? I got the stave in the mail yesterday so Pappy should have it Tuesday or Wednesday.
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Hello,
Pappy and I talked about the project yesterday. I think we'll probably put the bow on a form to add a little more reflex prior to starting tillering...we'll decide for sure after we get a look at the stave. After tillering, I'll shape up the handle and hopefully get the bow to a point where there will be minimal sanding and finish work afterwards for whoever adds the tip-overlays.
Has anyone thought about the possibility of staining prior to sealing the bow? I think it makes a hickory bow look good by highlighting the grain...
Greg
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GregB, How reflex are you guys wanting? It already has about 2" of reflex.
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Greg, I agree about the stain. It really brings out the grain in a white wood.
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I've got some Python skin.Once I see the bow I'll know if I have enough.If not I've got a lot of Gator belly hide.And some big Eastern skins and water snakes.The eastern's are usually too big and wide.I've been wanting to try the gator but the Python is pretty.Hey ,why not make a full dozen arrows like we did on the last bow.The yankee boy's are doing it.
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I just told the yankee boys we were doing 6. I have no problem with 12. If any cane arrows are made, I have the target points Kenneth made especially for cane arrows. Let me know and I'll send them out.
Eddie. Easterns over 2 1/2' to 3' are too big for bows. The pattern overruns the bow...anyway, we ought to wait and see the bow first, like Eddie said. Pat
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Pat, I'll make up three(?) cane shafts if you want me to. I have some native cane and some Jap arrow bamboo.
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Bullcreekboy, we noticed some flat area's in the limbs on the picture of the stave. We'll take a look at the stave when Pappy gets it and decide if we think it needs any tweaking or not prior to starting tillering. If the decision is made to stain the bow, I guess whoever puts skins on the bow might consider putting on the stain? Or would someone else want to stain and seal the bow after skins are applied? I usually burnish my bows prior to sealing, but I don't want to cause any problems for anyone downstream.
We probably need to decide what for sure is the plan for the bow in the way of potentially staining, and potentially putting on skins, and I guess tip-overlays. Just need to establish the correct sequence of events so that someone doesn't do something to the bow that causes problems to the next person in line.
The bow might should spend some time in a heat box after staining if it is decided to stain the bow. Pappy and I discussed placing the bow in our clubs heat box whenever we're not working on it to help keep the moisture down.
Greg
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Greg, I know you and Pappy will do it justice. You guys make some great bows. I'm with Pappy on the mid to high 50's @ 28". I only have a 26" draw also. There is only one guy that I shot with that actually has a 28" draw. It makes me wonder if the average draw length is not probably 26". Maybe all of us MO boys just have short arms.
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Shannon, I think a lot of people overestimate their drawlength, at least that is what we've seen over and over when helping someone build a bow. I'm 6' tall, and with my quartering cant-the-bow style of shooting have a 27" draw. I think I was around 30-31" draw many years ago when I shot a compound, hard to remember back that far. :D
We'll shoot for the mid to upper 50's@28" knowing that it will lose some weight due to finish sanding and settling in over time.
I've been doing some nosing around across the border, those guys are keeping schedule of who is doing what to the bow, and who gets it next, etc. We probably need to get something like that going as well to keep track and have everything happening in the correct sequence.
What does everyone think?
Greg
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If you guy's want I can stain it and put some tip overlays on at the same time I skin it.Pat we don't have any Eastern diamond backs down here that small unless they are babies.The skins I have are 5 and 6' long and 18" to 24" wide.What does look good is to cut them length wise and break up the pattern.I really want to use the Python or the gator belly though.I just have to lay the python out and see when the bow gets here.
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Eddie, will it cause you any trouble with placing the skins if Pappy and I have burnished the back? I wouldn't think it would cause a problem with the skins adhereing to the back, but thought you might have a preference. Also is there anything we should do when cutting the string notches so that we don't cause you any trouble with the tip-overlays? What material did you have in mind for the overlays?
Greg
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Greg,Doesn't sound like a problem to me.I've got black buff horn,white cow horn,moose,deer,caribou horn.zebra wood and purple heart and other wood.Everybody take their pick.Or if skeaterbait wants to do that part I can send him the horn or wood.Also cowboy and I were PM'in each other about the points.What do you think about the stone points going on cane or bamboosa arrows(6) with a dozen,half by me and half by cowboy mounted on foreshafts separate from the arrows.along with 6 shoot arrows with field points?
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I am happy to do the tips. I have cow horn, both black and white, whitetail antler, zebra wood, purple heart and cherry but can grab what everyone thinks will work best.
My intial thought on the tips was to take the zebra wood and glue two edges together to form a V with the stripes. Over that I would put a lam of purple heart or cherry and have it fade out in a V, giving way to the zebra wood underneath. On top of that I would have a bit of horn.
If the description doesn't make sense I can glue one up right quick to show you what I mean.
I will do what the majority would like to see.
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Arrow idea sounds great mullet. Pat since we are shooting for 50# and everybody knows we always get the exact weight we aim for ;) should we start the sourwood shoots for practice arrows. Ill put reinforced self nocks on them and fletch them. Did you have another idea for the field points or should I just put on some regular points? Or if someone wants something to do to participate, I can leave the points or fletching for them. Justin
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Something like this. Give me your thoughts and be honest, I am a big boy.
Obvisously this might not work with the backing we end up with so again, I am open to thought and ideas.
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I think it would look good.
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Skeaterbait, I love the concept but lets wait for the finished bow so you can decide on the combination. Those tip overlays will add a touch of class.
Thoughts on the arrows...I had thought of doing 6 arrows but with 3 differant woods; sourwood(Oxydendron aboreum), privot(Ligustrum japonicum) and buffalo nut(pyrularia pubera). I thought this would give a good representation of our available natural arrow woods. They should have 3 stone points(one on each type) and a target point on the other 3. Cowboy has offered to make and send the 3 stone points and I will make the 3 target points with the metal strips(and idea) Kenneth sent me last year. If anyone wants to haft the stone points they are welcomed to do so. If not, I can.
Steve Parker has also offered cane arrows. We can split that up too...and the type of cane is up to the builder. Pat
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Another thought I had...Pappy and Greg could save any cut offs from the guava stave and that could be cut into the spine material for the arrow's self nocks or fore shafts. Just a thought at 1:02am! Pat
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We will save anything that is left.From the pictures I don't know how much there will be.
By the way the knife is going out today.
Pappy
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great. thanks pappy.
i will make a side stalker style stitchless quiver (except with a closed top, to protect the fletching, when it rains) and incorporate the sheath into it.
now we need a decision on the number of arrows. the quiver will have individual "compartments" for the heads, so it would be nice to know if it's six or twelve. if i make 12 and we come up with 6 arrows, we'll look cheap. if i make 6 and we come up with 12 arrows, half of them can't be stored in the quiver.
also, can the pointknappers give me some rough dimensions (length, width) of the anticipated points? doesn't have to be metric ;D
one more question for the fletchers: what do you expect the length from the front wrapping on the fletches to the end of the arrow (including nock) to be? am i safe to assume 7" (5"-6" fletching plus 1" for the tail end, including nock)? overall arrowlength (including tip and nock) i will assume 30".
did i mention that i'm excited? ;D
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Dustybaer: I'm not exactly certain how many arras at this POINT myself, I'm just going to send a bunch of points to Pat. The one's I do make are going to be roughly 3/4" to 1" wide by about 1 1/2" X 2" long - roughly???
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Pat, I could also do a couple of salt cedar. I also have a large chunk of guava that I cut off a stave I got from Manny. I could make spined nocks on the salt cedar and send them to you with the rest of the guava. There is enough guava to do all the nocks. Man it sure is fun messing with Pat's head. SORRY Pat. ::) Justin
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I'm going to back out of this one.I've just got too much going on right now.Sorry guy's
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Dang Eddie. I hate to see you back out. Just take a deep breath and relax for a minute.
It is getting a bit confusing. We need to decide on how many arrows and who's gonna make them. I'm good for 3 or 6 hardwood shoot shafts and whatever else. Four people can made 3 each if we need. or maybe we should concentrate on a matched set of 6. It doesn't matter to me but we should decide. Pat
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Ok guys I am getting a little mixed up[Don't take much] When GregB get the stave tillered who do we send it to.I haven't got it yet but I need to make a list.I'm getting confused with the frindship bow.
Pappy
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to skeaterbait for tipoverlays? not sure, but wouldn't that be the next step?
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Pappy, I was just going to help assist you with tillering. Pretty much what we often do when one of us is making a bow...second set of eyes. I can do some sanding to prep the bow for whoever next is in line. Don't know who is supposed to get the bow next.
I think we need to document who is doing what to the bow and in what sequence, so everyone will know who to send the bow to next.
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Dustybaer says it goes to skeaterbait gets it next.Hope the stave is here before I leave Sunday.
Pappy
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Do we know what backing we are going to have on it yet?
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OK looks like we've got for the bow itself:
Tillering: Pappy & GregB
Tip Overlays: Skeaterbait
Sanding/Cleanup: ??
Backing/Decoration/Finish: ?? (If Eddie's not gonna be able to do it)
Handle Wrap, etc: ?? (if not included with finish)
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Thanks Hillbilly! I'll try and do some of handle shaping and sanding of the overall bow after Pappy and I finish tillering before we send it on. There will of course need to be some additional shaping and sanding of the tip-overlays. If the bow is to be stained, I guess that could take place before or after placing a backing on. Whoever puts on the backing if the bow is to get one, could clean the bow up and seal it, or send it to someone else to do finish work and sealing.
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Pappy, has the stave made it there yet? It should have been there by now.
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No I haven't seen it yet,Maybe today.
Pappy
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Lost a post there somewhere, hmm. Anyway - everyone's been a little quiet here the last coupla days, we got points! Feels like I got an indian ammunition factory goin on around here. Had a very nice couple of days to work outside with - sunny and in the sixtie's, beautiful!! These are made of some flint I picked up down south of San Antonio on the side of the road - they use it for road base down there - solid cobbles everywhere.
Anyway, couldn't decide which kind to make so made several of a couple different styles - all corner notchers, easy to notch and easy to haft. Can't think of anything else id'a rather been doin.
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Damm son'-they look' purty !!!!!........bob
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Man, those look great! Sure wish they piled good flint up in the road ditches here!
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Those are beautiful, Cowboy and deadly looking. Pat
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Cowboy, those points look great.
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Dang, I am gonna want to buy this stuff myself.
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cowboy, you're an artist. they look great. i like the long, slender ones best.
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Thanks fella's! I'm just tickled to be able to participate. I'm a little concerned with the weight - thought I could measure them on the wife's postal scale, anybody know how to convert oz's to grain's? anywho, the heaviest one came in at 0.2 oz's - the rest of them wouldn't even register? I'm just going to send em all and we'll see which one's fit.
Hey Hillbilly, they really do use it for base down there. I couldn't believe it at first, sure those people get a lot of flat tires - sharp edges sticking up everywhere. I did some back road riding while I was there and found the source, cotton farmer - don't know how he grows anything with all the rock, just disappears over the horizon. hit him up about it, he'll let it go for twenty bucks a truck load - sure he's laughing all the way to the bank - gettin rid of some more rocks. If you'd like some to mess with, I'll load you up one of those $8.00 boxes - It'll have to be spalled and treated.
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Cowboy, you'd better believe I'd love some of it to mess with! Of course, I won't make points that look as good as yours out of it. The only thing remotely knappable we have here in western NC is quartzite and johnstone lol.
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Steve, You are forgetting granite, quartz and saprolite!
Cowboy, There are 437.5 grains to an oz. so multiply .2x437.5=87.5grs
I use a triple beam scale from the 60's that measures in ozs, 1/10 oz and 1/100oz so I learned how to convert.
The hardwood shoots are pretty heavy so we ought to be able to make weight or at least close. Pat
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Nice points Cowboy, here's a site that comes in handy.
http://www.convert-me.com/en/convert/weight
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See, that's why I make my points about an inch thick-better weight ;D
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Very nice points cowboy.If you still want some of that rock send me your address.I sure wouldn't mind some of that either.
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Cowboy, Just read this post. Wow, I love that rock ya got there. Up here in the northwest all I have been able to get ahold of is obsidian. How does it work? Going by those points it must work well. Are you up for a trade?
D. Tiller
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Hey Pat, you were right - not that I doubted ya or anything, ha. I took a look at that site Dano sent (thanks Dano) and yep one ounce is 437.5 grs. Now I just hope the postal scale is reading right - that just sounds really light for that point, we'll see.
Eddie - yep I still want some of that rock, always looking for something new to work on - I'll send you a box of this stuff too. I believe the postal service has a box you can load down with whatever and it cost's about eight dollars no matter the weight, gonna check in on that tomorrow.
Hillbilly and D.Tiller, you guys are getting a box too if that postal thing is right. As far as workability this stuff is like night and day, just gotta open one up and see what you've got. A lot of it is tough and grainy but when heat treated works fairly smooth and will thin (that's those whiteish looking one's in the pic). If you get lucky and find a peice of root beer in there you can work it either way, but I always treat everything - like that shine. Treating temp I couldn't tell ya, all mine are cooked in the ground (but am in the market for a toaster oven) thanks Eddie.
We'll just make it an even trade if you guys would like - I'll knock a chunk out of every one so I know I'm not sending you junk, but if youre going to return me some agatized coral or obsidian don't send me your'e primo stuff - most of this stuff is just run of the mill, you can make it all work but I've been beating on it for several years. Hillbilly, don't sound like you got any good rocks - don't send me any quartz - I've tried it, got enough carpal tunnel already.... ha, ha.
You guys shoot me your'e addresses on a PM and I'll get it rolling next week - tootles.
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Beautiful points Cowboy! I wish I had that kind of talent.
Bullcreekboy, Pappy left Sunday morning for a pig hunt in Oklahoma. As of Saturday, the stave had not arrived yet. I don't know how you were sending it, maybe you have a tracking number you can call? I'll call Pappy's wife today or tomorrow and see if it has arrived. Pappy gave me the go-ahead to floor-tiller the stave while he's gone. I think he's supposed to get home this coming Friday.
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Cowboy,You don't have to be real picky when you send it to Hillbilly.I took him some concrete in Nov,and he was a happy camper.Those North Carolina boy's beat the crap out of rock with great big clubs.The kind you use to knock out sailfish before you bring them in the boat. ::)
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thats not nice eddie :) tom
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Greg,
I sent it 2-3 day via USPS. Like an idoit I did not get a tracking number. Hopefully it will show up in the next couple of days. It has been five days since I sent it out. Hopefully it will show up today or tomorrow.
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Them 2-3 days dont' count weekends usually. It don't matter what you pay for, they ship it how they want. I wouldn't worry just yet.
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I sent a stave to Maine a couple years ago, took it nearly a month to get there. The guy said from the markings it had went through Canada on its way lol. Like Skeaterbait said, they ship it however they want to.
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Bullcreekboy, Pappy's wife called me tonight and said their mail carrier had left a note in their mail box that a package to long to fit in her car was at the main post office. I'll swing by the post office tomorrow and pick it up.
I'm looking forward to making some scrappings! I'll save the final tillering for when the master returns... :D
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greg, could you please take pictures of your progress? this waiting is killing me ;D
by the way, the knife is not here yet, but considering it's got to cross the pond, it might take a few more days. if it comes in before friday, i'll take it with me to a (small) bowyers meeting with some friends, where we sit together, chat, drink and make things (like bows, arrows, quivers and stuff). in fact, on saturday we planned a quick and dirty mini-bow tournament. "quick and dirty" means you have to make the bow at the event and then shoot the tournament with it. great fun. we did one in fall with real bows. that's where i built my first black locust bow.
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Dustybaer, we'll take pictures as we go...no problem. I've never personally posted any pictures yet, started an attempt last week to post some of bows I had made (the few I havn't given away) and also some in progress but I didn't think the light was good in the pictures and havn't tried since.
Our May shoot is much as you described your get-to-gather. We have what we call a "Self Bow Challenge", where you make a bow the weekend of the shoot. Can bring a bow roughed in ahead of time, but it can't have string notches cut in it yet. We have a lot of people come early during the week prior to the actual shoot. We've had over 30 bows at least reach the stage of shooting during this May shoot. Not all of them were sealed, a few may not have had the grips put on yet, and some folks left with still a lot of work to do but at least a better understanding of the process. Lot of fun...lot of work!
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well, the knife arrived a few minutes ago. i can finally get busy. I'll keep you posted ;D
edit: sorry, that's supposed to be "i'll keep y'all posted"
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It sounds like maybe the stave has finally arrived. Greg, there is a layer of cambrium still on the back that needs to be scraped off. Manny said it comes off real easy with a scraper.
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Okay Shannon, I'll clean up, sand and burnish the back before anything else. Unless burnishing might cause someone a problem later on with applying backing...if so, please let me know. Pardon me, I forget who is getting the bow after Pappy and I finish with it.
I havn't picked it up yet, but plan to check it out and see if I think it could use some more reflex or not. If so, I'll floor tiller it before putting it on a form. After I take it off the form I'm going to wait so Pappy can take the lead for final tillering. Looking forward to getting started!
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I've got the stave, and it looks like it ought to make a really nice bow.
It's 68" long, a little longer then we typically make our bows which run anywhere from 60-66". Pyramid style starting from 1-5/8" at the fades down 11/16" at the tips. I'll probably make the tips 7/16" and after relaying out, remove the excess limb width from the fades down. The fades are running a little longer also then we generally make ours, so it might be best to leave it at 68", or no less then maybe 66". I can easily make out the cambrium layer, so hopefully it should be easy to remove...almost tempted to use a drawknife but I'll start off with a scrapper and see.
Right now the limb thickness is 1" at the fades down to 5/8" at the tips. Being a pyramid bow, the final full-length limb thickness should be fairly constant from the fades out. I think I'll play it safe to begin with and layout a thickness at the fades of 5/8" down to 1/2" at the tips after I've first removed the cambrium layer. This should prepare the stave for putting on a form and adding a little reflex, but mostly to put some curvature in some flat spots along the limbs. The stave has 2" of reflex now, but not with a consistant curve full length of the limbs. Most of the reflex is due to a couple of short spots in each limb instead of full length.
If the wood (Guava)acts much like hickory, I think we should be okay with what I've discussed. If anyone with experience with guava thinks I should proceed differently, please feel free to speak up or forever hold your peace...cause I'm itchin' to get started! ;)
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Is anybody out there...? :)
I've got the bow just beginning to bend some while floor tillering. Just about ready to put on the form and try to get more constant curvature full length of the limbs. Had to take a little break, seems like guava will wear you out to!
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Greg,
Was the cambrium layer easy to get off? Does it work like hickory? It sounds like you have it coming along nicely. It seems to be a pretty dense wood.
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Is anybody out there...? :)
I've got the bow just beginning to bend some while floor tillering. Just about ready to put on the form and try to get more constant curvature full length of the limbs. Had to take a little break, seems like guava will wear you out to!
I'm no expert, (Ive only worked on one guava stave before) but be carefull heating it. Go over it with a scraper or something to get it smooth. I left mine a little rough because it was just a roughed out stave and it scorched the heck out of it. I had to cut 4" off each end. I have never had that problem with Osage. After I got it nice and smooth it seemed to heat and reflex with no problems. I couldn't scorch it if I wanted to. Justin
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Okay, I've got my son helping with posting some pictures...hope it works!
Showing the bow with part of the cambrium layer removed, used drawknife and scrapper. One of the pictures is showing the bow with the original reflex in it. Then after thinning the limb thickness, I put it on the form and really threw the heat to it. Hopefully it will take more curvature after removing, I'll leave it on the form until tomorrow afternoon.
Comments welcome! ;)
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Lookin good Greg. Whats all that yellar stuff behind the guava LOL. Have you talked to Pappy to see how the hog hunt is going?
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Bullcreekboy, the cambrium layer came off really easy...used drawknife to get off the bulk of it, then a scrapper and some sanding. I havn't heard from Pappy other then his wife told me they made it to Oklahoma without problems. That "yellar stuff" hopefully will be some finished osage bows one of these days. ;D
Justin, it scorched a little but not very bad. I had scrapped out all the rasp marks after reducing the thickness. Most if not all of the scorched spots should be removed by tillering. I rubbed in a small amount of cooking oil prior to heating using a paper towell only on the belly and slightly up on the sides. I was careful not to get any on the back. That might have helped some, we usually put oil on white woods and occasionally osage prior to putting on forms.
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Lookin' good, Greg, that oughta make a good bow. Looking forward to seeing some pics in the future of that pile of squiggly yaller things, too.
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Thanks Hillbilly! I went ahead and took the bow off the form this morning prior to going to work. Didn't want to leave it in my basement all day. Got it sitting over an air vent to hopefully keep it dry.
The reflex changed from 2" prior to putting on the form, to 3-1/8" coming off the form. I'm pleased with how it looks, and it has a better curvature full length of the limbs that should yield a better bow after tillering. I'll do some more floor tillering, but will be conservative. When Pappy returns, he can make his contribution by final tillering...I'll act as a second set of eyes. I'll probably shape the handle some more after tillering.
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Not a good picture I'm afraid...got the bow off the form. Worked on floor tillering some more this evening. Also spent some time shaping the handle. Ready for Pappy at this point...he should be home tomorrow. I'm sure we'll work on it this weekend.
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Looking good Greg. What is your first impression of the wood? Do you think it will hold much of the reflex?
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Like someone said, I think the wood works a lot like hickory. It seemed to take reflex well, although I heated it quite a bit. I havn't cut the string notches yet, didn't know for sure if Pappy wanted to leave it 68" or not.
I would guess at this point that after being shot in, it should be somewhere between laying straight to 1" of reflex. I would be pleased with that result. Pappy might want to recurve the tips, if that is something the team would like to see done. New wood for us though...might should be careful?
Who was the bow to go to after Pappy and I are finished with it? Is there a snakeskin or some other backing in its future? :)
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Greg, The bow looks good so far. Pappy will be pleased with how you set her up for him. She's gonna be a cool bow.
I got a package of beautifuly crafted stone heads in the mail today from Cowboy. Thanks Paul. They are very well made with finely serrated edges and 3 of them are 131grs, 131grs and 128grs. The weight range in the lot of them goes from 74grs to 175grs. Since I will be using 3 different hardwoods for the arrows I will be checking the shaft weights so the points and shafts can be properly matched. Am I hafting the heads or sending them to Justin with the shafts? Pat
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Lookin good rebels...... ;)
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Thanks yank! ;D
Thank you Pat, I'm hopeful for a good bow out of this one.
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I was a fraid of that (the weight I mean) going to have to get a scale. Hope you can make them work.
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No problem Cowboy. With the range of weights you sent, we have all the bases covered. Pat
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well I'm back,I will get started on the tiller tomorrow.Looks like Greg has it in good shape for that.He picked it up at
the post office for me.The mail carrier out here won't bring something that long,and the post office is 20 miles on the other side of town.Greg works close by so he got it.I will see it in the morning we plan a squirrel hunt so he will be over.
Pappy
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How was the hunt Pappy? Glad you made it back alright.
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Hope you had a good hunt Pappy,get my PM?
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Pat, I'm up for anyting. If you want to haft the points haft away. If you want to send them to me I will haft then. If you want me to fletch the shafts, and let someone else haft so more can participate or haft and let someone fletch, so more can participate that works too. Send me whatever and tell me what to do. I do my best work when someone tells me what to do, just ask my wife. OH wait she said I ONLY WORK when she tells me what to do. ::) Justin
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Justin, If anyone wants to haft the points they are welcome. If not I'll haft them and send them on to you for nocks, fletching and finishing. How does that sound. I did some more hardwood shoot straightening yesterday but not done yet. Ended up spending a couple of hours with Steve(turning over tha staves) this afternoon chewing the fat and showing off staves and almost bows. Two NC fools standing in a parking lot with temps in the 30, light flurries and a strong cold wind. What we do for our beloved sport(addiction). Pat
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Yes I got your pm Mullet,I got started tillering the stave Sat.It is going pretty well.I will have some pictures as soon as I get caught up on some work.It has a knot on one limb that is giving a little trouble but I think it will work out OK.I have it out to 17 in. and it is 31lbs.at that draw.I plan on working on it this week and should have it ready to send on next week.Got it in a dry place for now.It looks a lot like Iron wood and works like Hackberry.Got some pictures of the hunt also,I didn't get a hog but some of my buddies did.My shooting wasn't all that good,what't new about that. :)
Pappy
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Well here are some Pictures so far.More as I go along.I can see already you don't want to get in a hurry with this wood and all of us need to be sure and keep it dry as we pass it around.Dry it a day or 2 as each person gets it before drawing it to full draw until it is sealed.There is one knot in each limb with some funny grain,I think it will be OK but it makes it a challenge to tiller,you look at one side and it looks fine and move to the other and don't look so good.I will keep ya updated.
Pappy
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lookin good so far guys! ;D
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Ryan, looks like you and I are acting as scouts... ;D
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Here I am, waiving a white flag and hoping your pickets don't plug me.
If you guys want a hand woven bow sock, I'd be happy to do it. But, I have a big weaving project scheduled for after the Yankee "Zuove Red" one. When do you want this?
Say, when are all these projects supposed to come together? Union intelligence is foggy in that respect.
I have some undyed wool which is, if memory serves me, a nice grayish brown, so it should suit your rebel color tastes. I will do a nice twill weave, which is different than the Northern tabby weave I am using on the in-progress one. Tabby, btw, is regular up and down grid weave.
Now, back to my lines. I hear dinner is salt pork and hard tack. I can't get enough of that stuff.
Dane
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I went back through this post trying to figure out who is going to do what. It looks like skeaterbait gets it next for tip overlays. Who is going to put the skins on it? The weather has put my house building behind so I have some free time. I have a set of sturgeon skins I can put on it. They are short, so I would have to use three skins. I could center the splices on the limbs and wrap them with silk thread. What do you guys think? I can get some pictures of them posted later tonight. Just an idea. Since I have some free time I thought I might try to contribute more. Who is doing the handle wrap and finish? PatB volunteered some ratan for the handle wrap. Dane the offer for the bow sock is generous.
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Lookin good Pappy and Greg - I always enjoy peering into the depths of that shop, see something different every time - lots of racks on the wall there.
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Here is a picture of what the sturgeon skins look like.
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bullcreekboy the bow is 68 in n-n if we want it shorter I can do that,I just wasn't sure on how much this wood would take and
it needs to be tillered to 28 and I don't want any more set than I have to have.Maybe someone could clue me in on the wood. I have it to 17 in.@31 lbs.Brought it home to dry out good and plan on finishing it This weekend and send it on it's way.We are
shooting for the low 50's@28.If yall want it shorter speak now or forever hold you piece.
Pappy
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Pappy,
I have never worked the wood before. Is it taking alot of set? I would have thought it would have been good and dry. I kept in the hot box most of the time with one bulb on to keep the humidity around 50%. I am like you and Greg. I very seldom make a bow over 64" but my draw length is only 26". If it isn't taking any set I would think we could shorten it some. I know Manny made some of his bows around 60". He also made one for the ABC challenge that was 58". Is your impression that the wood isn't dry? It may be like hickory and really suck up the moisture. Do you and Greg think we can get 28" of draw out of it if it is 65" ttt? I wish I could be more help.
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Shannon, The sturgeon skin will be great for this bow. I will send you, or who ever, the rattan for the handle. How wide are the skins and how wide is the bow? Can you split a skin lengthwise so you can use only 2 skins?
I never worked guava before either. I believe Manny would heat treat the bellies of his bows. I would think that 65" would be long enough for a 28" draw.
Dane, That would be a wonderful jesture of North/South cooperation. A woven bow sock would be a heck of a lot better than Greg's tater sack...even with the writing showing. You will forever be in our debt...and out of our picket sites. Pat
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Pat,
I don't think the skins are wide enough to split down the middle. I have plently of them so using three is no big deal as long as you guys don't mind a silk wrapping on the limbs at the joint in the skins. You will have to give me a tutorial on the rattan handle wrap.
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I don't think a bit of serving will hurt the appearance. As a matter of fact, I like the look. I'll be happy to walk you through the rattan handle wrap. It is very simple...just like adding a serving to the center of a bow string. Let me know when you are ready for it and I'll send it along. It probably ought to be one of the last things done to the bow. I like to have some finish on the bow first then more finish over the handle wrap. Pat
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It isn't taking much set yet so I will cut it down to 65 n-n.I just don't want to mess this up.If
it was mine I wouldn't worrier about it or if was about any other kind of wood cause I could just replace it,but we don't have any of this in Tennessee.I will keep yall updated.I plan on finishing it
this week and weekend.
Pappy
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We'll all cross our fingers...there is a knot in one limb that we were worried about, Pappy has had to avoid when scrapping to make sure it doesn't hinge.
Dane, that would be great on the bow sock. Was worrying where I was go na put all them taters if we used the sack! ;D You're okay for a yank, if you get captured when on a scouting mission behind our lines, just ask for Pappy and I...we'll share our meals with you. Had some great fried possum and turnip greens just last night! ;)
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Greg, my pleasure. You are okay for a reb, as well.
I would have suggested you just cook the potatoes, but you don't have to worry now. And thanks - I'd love to try the possum with you two. Do you saute it with olive oil and fine herbs? :) Us high-brow Yanks have high culinary expectations.
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No, we fry 'em in hog lard with sweet taters, ramps and poke sallet. Can't get much more sophisticated cuisine than that ;D
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Hillbilly, Them Yanks are gonna think you are atalkin with a ferrin tongue. What time is dinner? Pat
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Hillbilly, I couldn't have said it better! Makes my mouth water, now what's the main course tonight...maybe some ground-hog!
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No, we fry 'em in hog lard with sweet taters, ramps and poke sallet. Can't get much more sophisticated cuisine than that ;D
I can figure out that you mean pork fat, sweet potatoes, and some sort of salad?
You Southern boys really do speak another language! :) I should go buy a dictionary, maybe.
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...."Culinary expectations"-huh ?...........bob
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Translated: "what's on fer chow?"
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Wal' shoot Dane, why didn't y'all say that ?..bob
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You mean that youins don't speak reglur ol' anglish up there? Hell, I didn't even mention branch lettuce, creases, souse meat, livermush, and blackstrap 'lasses ;D
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...and what 'bout slumgullion, chittlins and hogs head cheese ? Pat
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Pat, I don't even know what slumgullion is, much less them poor ol' yankees. Must be a flatlander thang lol. I think youins's hawgs head cheese is the same thing as our sousemeat.
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I guess that's a flatlander thang too. I think slumgullion is a combo of a little of everything on hand. Kinda like a stew. Pat
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If those yankee fellers ever went to one pig pickin', they'd never be sassified with that yankee food again.
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You rebs still talking in code? Is any of that stuff edible?
I did used to eat a lot of grits when I was vacationing, thanks to the US Army, in Georgia. I kind of liked them, but only with sugar. Plain, I couldnt really take them. I heard you guys like sweet suff, so maybe you are supposed to eat them that way?
Do you really mean you eat head cheese down south? Really? Glad I was born out west, even if you do consider me a yankee now.
Dane
PS would one of you gents translate all those exotic terms for me? If I ever go down you way, I need to know what you guys are jawing about. :)
PPS A southern buddy of mine from Georgia used to go on and on about how great moon pies and RC cola were sitting on the porch. Was he just fooling me?
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moon pies and RC sittin on the porch. heck they'r a bunch better ifn you eat 'em. ;D
we talk like that so y'all yanks don't know weer talkin about ya.....
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Yep, he was telling you straight...them moon pies and rc cola's are sum good eatin'. I like them goo goo bars to myself! My yank brother-in-law has us bring him some when we come to visit. ;D
Dane, see what your generous offer to make us a bow sock has started? You got all us rebs thinking of what good grub to feed you if and when you ever decide to visit us southerners. The Tn. Classic in May would be a good opportunity for that visit. We cook some fine dutch oven meals! Promise we'll provide safe passage back up north! ;D
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I thought that was what it was really all about!
I meant eating them. You knew that. I know you did. As my wife loves to point out when I make a joke, everyone wants to be a comedian. :)
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OK Dane-translation from English to furrin yankee talk:
Poke sallet: cooked greens from young sprouts of the pokeberry plant (Phytolacca americana). Stinks to high heaven when you're cooking it. Tastes horrible. Many people love it.
Ramps: Wild plant in the onion family that grows here in the mountains and even up north (Allium tricoccum) Very strong flavored and scented, very delicious, traditional spring food here. There ain't nothin' better than a big mess o' speckled trout, cornbread, fried taters and ramps.
Branch Lettuce: Another wild plant (Saxifraga micranthidifolia). Grows in wet places in the woods- seeps and little branches (what y'all would call a brook). Good eatin'.
Creasy greens: More wild greens. Plant in the mustard family that grows in old fields and farmland (Barbarea ssp.)
Souse meat and livermush: Nasty concoctions made from used pig parts. Souse meat is made from ground pig head parts, seasoned up. Livermush is known elsewhere as "liver pudding". Tastes about like it sounds.
Blackstrap 'lasses (aka "long sweetnin' "): Homemade molasses. Has to be made by feeding sugar cane stalks into a molasses mill that is powered by a mule, preferably an old and grumpy, stubborn, flatulent one named "Bill". Good stuff.
PS- RC co-colers and moon pies are nature's perfect food. Any carbonated beverage here is a co-coler, regardless of brand or flavor, as in: "Billy Ray, what kinda co-coler you want to drank with yore catfish and creasies?"
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..Oh Lordy Steve,Y'all makin' me want to et' !.....bob
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That is starting to sound like Korean food now. I had a buddy spend a couple of years over there. He didn't have no fancy names for it, just good old boiled dog and ditch weed (whatever kind of greens they could find). Justin
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.................Hey Justin , Come to florida and I'll feed ya' some Taal-holelke, sofkee and sho-ke !
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Hey, yous all down there in the sou'eas ain ga no'en on da Norwes! Heer we's gots a coup'l dem thin yous don. Hows bout geoduck, an slugmuffin?!?!
ie: ones a big ol'honkin clam 2ft long with a spout 3 feet long, jus plain UGLY!!! Second one is groun up bannana slugs mixed with flour egge and other stuff!!!! Now you pick which one is actually real and which is not!!!!
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Well I hate to change the subject,but I got the bow braced last night and out to 21 in. it is
41 lb. now and I haven't cut it down yet.I got a hold of Manny yesterday and he gave me some advice on the bow wood ,so I feel better now about it.The bottom limb is stiff and the top limb
has a little to much bend in about the same place the bottom is stiff.I have plenty of wood to work with so it should be fine.Just needs to go slow now.It has about 2 1/2 of back set after 30 minutes rest and a 1 5/8 right after unstrung.Look and tell me what yall think.I plan on finishing tillering this weekend.It is still 68 n-n but I plan to cut it down to 65.
Pappy
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Pappy, looking good! I'm with you, I think I'd stay off that top limb for a while until they get balanced up. That knot still giving some trouble?
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Looks like it's well on its way.
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Yes the knot in the top limb in the first part of the last 1/3 has give me a little trouble.just got
to get it to bend a little through it.There is also a spot in the lower limb that I have had a little trouble with.I think it will be fine just need to take it slow.
Pappy
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Lookin good Pappy. I like the house by the way. You really know how to decorate.
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Just doing a little spying on you boys and thought I'd show you some live sinew runing around my yard this afternoon.
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Enjoyed the pictures of the deer Mamba, looked like that had some good looking backstraps on them! ;D
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........SHOOT RAY SHOOT!!!!!!!!!...YOUR BACKYARD.GAWD ALMIGHTY !........BOB
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lookin damn good Pappy - the pic's were so busy I almost missed the bow, naw - rack em up!
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Hey rebs, I found some wool thread that is going to be perfect for your sock. Still want a gray one? Anyone have any color suggestions? Or are you going to just trust the poor overworked weaver? :)
PS Thanks for the translation of that exotic food - wow! Someone really eats that stuff? :)
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Dane, I for one trust your judgement to create whatever color and style you think might be appropriate for us poor rebels! We ain't none of us to choosy! Did I mention that you're okay for a yank! ;D
As for the "exotic food", you just don't know what you're missing! Ever been frog gigging? Yum! ;)
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Frog legs,garfish,turtle and sweet taters--lordy-washed down with a RC of course.bob
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Bob, I'd be right at home with my feet under a table dining with you or Hillbilly either one! You guys KNOW good southern cookin'! ;D Oh yeah, eating by a campfire would be just fine too...who needs a table? ;)
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Don't forget Mudbugs and Swamp CabbageAnd while we're talkin down home food.Might as well throw in some squirrel,rattlesnake and some Ditch Lizard backstrap and jaw meat.
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Oh yeah, thx Eddie --Taal-holelke, tree rats and rattler and mudbugs for sure..dinners on' greg !..................................bob
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Okay Mullet, you're invited for dinner too! ;D Potluck of course!
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.Tiller--I'll take the geoduck- you can have the bananna slugs !.......bob
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Aren't geoducks and bananna slugs a Seattle thing? I used to live there, and you had to be careful about the slugs. One guy was out jogging, and slipped on one and broke his leg.
I think you rebs are just pulling our legs - no one can eat all that stuff, can they?
Greg, thanks. I have selected the wool for your sock, and guess what color I am using?
Envelop, please - indigo!
Thank you very much.
I will be trimming it with gray, don't worry.
Dane
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Dane......Not only can we but we do.Taal-holelke is wswa
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Dane...............kiddin'aside.Taal-holelke is swamp cabbage, you know it as hearts of palm. Ramps are like scallions, a tad more pungent. Creasies are mustard greens like you eat in salad greens. Blackstrap molasses you know. Sofkee is wild rice cooked in cane syrup or "lil sweetins"(molasses). Tree rats are squirrels, good eatin in stew or broiled. Rattlesnake and turtle are very expensive gourmet foods today.Garfish is delicious broiled over a fire as is sho-ke(wild hawg-pork). Livermush and sousse meat you would have to get used to as well as poke berry greens. Catfish battered and fried is delicious, a popular sunday church supper. One we didn't mention and is good fare down here in fla is as Eddie(mullet) would say" armoredgorilla"-armadillo-"dillo" meat broiled is tasty. RC co-cooler you know as well as moon pies. Think I'll let you wonder about "ditch lizard backstrap and jaw meat" and mud bugs. mmm--mmm--dinners on !.........bob
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Sounds good Dane! I'm not worrying...sure it will be much better quality then our tater sack sock would have been. ;D
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Thanks to Mullet for snapping me to reality when I posted , in the Friendship Bow forum, about the statis of the arrows for the Southern Community Bow.
Since then, I have had a little set back. I recieved the beautiful stone heads from Cowboy and the other evening I hafted 3 heads to 3 arrow shafts of differant materials...sourwood, privet and buffalo nut(I will also have simular arrow shoots for target practice). I was doing a bit of tuning yesterday on the sourwood shaft and I heard a "click". Well, after working with shoots for arrows for a few years now, I recognised that "click" as not being good. To make a long story short, I found the crack and after removing the head, I made kindling out of the shaft. I have plenty of other shoots to work with but I'll have to start from scratch on this arrow.
So guys, forgive me for barging in on the "Primitive Food Network" (LOL)...and now a word from our sponcers! Pat
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Got the bow finished yesterday and GregB got the sanding done,I will have pic. Monday morning.Turned out 64 n-n
53@28 Shot nice.It had 1/4 backset after shooting and 3/4 after 30 min. rest.1 3/4 last night .so I think it will be fine.
I think it goes to skeeterbate next but I ant sure,If anyone knows for sure let me know and give me the address.
I will send it on next week.Between the friendship bow and this I am getting mixed up on who is doing what. :)
I have a nice tube to send it in so if you just cut the tape and slide the tube apart it will last through the whole Thing.
Pappy
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Dane...............kiddin'aside.Taal-holelke is swamp cabbage, you know it as hearts of palm. Ramps are like scallions, a tad more pungent. Creasies are mustard greens like you eat in salad greens. Blackstrap molasses you know. Sofkee is wild rice cooked in cane syrup or "lil sweetins"(molasses). Tree rats are squirrels, good eatin in stew or broiled. Rattlesnake and turtle are very expensive gourmet foods today.Garfish is delicious broiled over a fire as is sho-ke(wild hawg-pork). Livermush and sousse meat you would have to get used to as well as poke berry greens. Catfish battered and fried is delicious, a popular sunday church supper. One we didn't mention and is good fare down here in fla is as Eddie(mullet) would say" armoredgorilla"-armadillo-"dillo" meat broiled is tasty. RC co-cooler you know as well as moon pies. Think I'll let you wonder about "ditch lizard backstrap and jaw meat" and mud bugs. mmm--mmm--dinners on !.........bob
Sir, thanks for the translation. You southern boys are, it seems, a bit more intellectual than you give on, with one of you uisng Latin. We can't uinderstand you ever more.
Gregg, thanks. I will do my very best with the sock.
Oh, and for all of you, I just had my first slice of sweet potaote pie a few minutes ago. Mmmm...my wife and I are thinking of just moving down south, now. It was fantastic.
Dane
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Them sweet tater pies are so good they will make you slap your gramdma! Pat
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Pappy, I do get the bow now for the tips, I will PM the addy.
I may have a bit of trouble working on it though, it seems everytime I sit down here to catch up on the progress, I get hungry and have to go eat. ::)
Do we know yet what skins will be on the bow???
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..Pat ................."slap yore grandma".........Iam shocked dude !....ha-ha-ha-ha.....Made my day.ha-ha-ah-ah.....bob
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Skeaterbait,
It will have sturgeon skin on it. Here is a picture of the skin. Take a look at JD Duff's Cascara bow that was August bow of the month. That is what they look like with a finish on them.
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Well here it is,It is 53@28.64 or so n-n.1/4 backset after shootin and first unstrung and 3/4 after 30 min.about 1 3/4 after a couple hr.'s.It shoots great.I will send it on early this week.Here are some pictures.
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And a few more after unbraced.And of course GreB.
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The first unbraced pic. is right after the other is after a couple of hr.'s.Hope someone get this that will take it out and shoot it.It is pretty sweet shooter,I was very surprised.
Pappy
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That looks great, Paapy, fine job.
PS-I thought I was the only one with a gnawed-up partial deer target lol.
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Looking good Pappy. Someone is gonna get a very nice bow!
If you run short on bow wood, Pappy, you could just split off a stave from your barn's ERC posts. Now, that's a bow building shop. Pat
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Ya Pat I have a bunch of ERC on my place,when I first started trying to make bows,and new nothing about it I started with erc,they blew one after another and when they blow they really blow,I almost gave up.I think that is part of my short draw problem ;D But now that I know a little
more about it I may try it again.I hear a lot of folks on here talk about it as making a great bow.I
am just scared of it.
Pappy
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Pappy,
You and Greg do great work. The bow came out wonderful.
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Thanks guys,By the way I shot it up and down the grip and have it marked on the riser
where it felt the best to me.You may want to try it before yall put the grip on and see if it feels the same .
Pappy
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You do good work pilgram...I mean Pappy. ;D
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Hey Pappy thats a nice group you shot there. sooooooooooo.... what happend on the hog hunt?! :D ;) hehe just kiddin -jesse
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Sweet lookin bow guys, Manny will be proud of what you'v done with his Guava.
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Yes manny said he was going to look in and see how it turned out,hope he approves.jesse,no pressure on them shots,if they weren't good just pull them and do it again.I am shipping it out to Lonnie Thusday or Wensday so be looking for it.
Pappy
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Lonnie, Pappy and I were discussing this over the weekend and he wanted me to help him remember to pass it on to the rest of the group. This wood is supposed to be bad about picking up moisture, so please don't string it after you receive the bow until it has had a few days to set in a dry area. Until the bow is good and dry and then sealed, everyone will need to be really careful with stressing it. ;)
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Lonnie it is on the way,sent it out this evening.Have fun.
Pappy
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I will watch for it with baited breath.
I think I will forgoe the shooting of the bow, you all got me scared now.
Any input on the overlays???? Ideas, thoughts?
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Don't be scared it will be fine,Just keep it dry for a day or 2 before.Everyone should shoot it some
it is a fine shooting bow.I really liked it.As far as overlays I have no suggestions since I have never done any,Just use you judgment and I am sure it will be great.I can't wait to see the finished
product.
Pappy
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Yeap, very nice work there Pappy !!!
Glad you like the wood, I'ts very encouraging getting good feedback from good bowyers around the country.
Looking forward to see the finished product.
Manny
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Wow Pappy.....the bow looks great.
Ok guys....you left out breakfast......you can eat breakfat anytime according to Waffle House......but bet you don't get what I grew up with down here on the Chattahoochee.....Brains and scrambled egg's, strik-o-lean,cathead biscuits and red eye gravy. And we had RC cocacolers....but I preferred Double colas with peanuts.....the bottles were 16oz and better for throwing at road signs while going down the road. Plus you needed a tall bottle cause them ol roadrunners didn't have cup holders. Hey Dane, those sweet tater pies are good but wait till you sink a tooth into thebpumpkin pies and peecan pies. Put a plate of that on yer head, and yer tongue will beat yer brains out trying to reach it.
Sorry guys....couldn't help myself ;D
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Oh brother...I've got a feeling you're goin' get Hillbilly cranked up again with that one! ;D
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That looks real sweet Pappy! Pele..she will be most happy :o :D
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Wow Pappy.....the bow looks great.
Ok guys....you left out breakfast......you can eat breakfat anytime according to Waffle House......but bet you don't get what I grew up with down here on the Chattahoochee.....Brains and scrambled egg's, strik-o-lean,cathead biscuits and red eye gravy. And we had RC cocacolers....but I preferred Double colas with peanuts.....the bottles were 16oz and better for throwing at road signs while going down the road. Plus you needed a tall bottle cause them ol roadrunners didn't have cup holders. Hey Dane, those sweet tater pies are good but wait till you sink a tooth into thebpumpkin pies and peecan pies. Put a plate of that on yer head, and yer tongue will beat yer brains out trying to reach it.
Sorry guys....couldn't help myself ;D
Something must be rubbing off hanging out with you southern boys - I understood most of what you said. :) Pecan and pumkin pie I love from way back, and I have a killer chocolate pecan pie recipe (as and ye shall recieve, but you have to make your own shortcrust to do the recipe justice). Red eye gravey- yum. Brains with eggs - not so yum. My granddad loved that stuff, though. I don't think he was southern, but some of my ancestors were Rebs - including John Hunt Morgan. Buddy of mine keeps wanting me to joint the Sons of the Confederacy, as a matter of fact.
That had nothing to do with the bow subject, but I can say I am going to start weaving your sock (saving your tater sack, thankfully) in the next week or so.
Dane
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Dane, sadly I must inform you that the tater sack met a much less noble fate then what becoming a bow sock would have been...it was used to patch some worn reb clothing. So now we're for sure relying on you to supply our bow sock! So sad... ;)
How about that chocalate pecan pie recipe? ;D
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Greg, my pleasure. I will find it tonight and get it to you. One of those sure fire recipes that always comes out perfect. And no, you don't have to make the pie crust from scratch, just better that way.
A shame about that potato sack, but I guess it will keep you from freezing in your threadbare old battle clothing.
It looks like the Yankees are losing the war of the bows here. I may have to jump sides at one point. :) Don't tell them, though.
Oh, btw, just found out there were significant Confederate sympathizers in Greenfield MA, the old industrial town I live in. Nifty bit of history there. And oddly, Gen Rommel's brother is buried in town too. The world is plain old weird.
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Here it is, as promised; Fudge Pecan Pie
2 lrg eggs
3 ozs semisweet chocolate
1 stick butter
1 cup sugar
3 tablespoons all purpose flour
1 tablespoon vanilla
1 cup pecan halves
1 9" unbaked pie shell
Preheat over to 325.
Whisk eggs until just combined in small bowl. Set aside. Coarsely chop cho. and cut butter into small pieces.
Melt choc. over low heat along with butter, stirring till smooth. Remove from heat and whisk in sugar, flour, vanilla, and eggs. Stir in pecans, and pour into pie shell.
Bake on baking sheet in middle of oven until set and puffy, about 55 to 60 minutes. Cool, and serve warm. Great with ice cream or whipped cream.
Okay boys, get in the kitchen and get busy. :)
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Thanks Dane, sounds good! Don't know if we have all them fancy fixin's ingredients down here or not. ;D
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Trying to catch up with this thread (limited time at the library), but I'm running into so many posts that I need some translation :), so I'm kinda skipping a bit.
did you post a front view picture ? how wide did you leave it ?did you ever tempered the belly ?
1 3/4 of retained reflex sounds real good to me :)
I'm really glad and honored that you guys have chosen some of my wood to create a bow.
I guess Hawaii is way south ;D ;D
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Manny,
It is good to see you around. I hope we do this guava bow some justice. How has life been treating you. Have you been hunting with any of those yellar bows yet.
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Killed a nice big pig with one of my old Guava bows a couple of days ago.
I think I'm going to retire this one now, and force myself to hunt with either a YEW or OSAGE bow, ...maybe ;)
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Translated to English (luckily I'm bilingual, I took yankee as a furrin language in high school):
Chocklit Pee-can Pie
Couple a hen aigs
Couple a goo goo bars
Half a print of cow butter or a wad of hawg lard
Handful a store-bought sweetnin'
skoal can fulla plain flair
Squirt of vaniller ex-tract or a slug of white likker
Handful er two of pee-cans (take the hulls offen 'em)
One a them store-bought pie hulls what comes in the 'luminum dog dish
Build a fahr.
Put th' hen aigs in a old cool-whip tub and beat hell out of 'em. Cut the cow butter and goo goo bars all to pieces ('bout the size of scratch feed).
Set the goo goo bars and cow butter pieces on the fahr 'til they's all melted like. Take it off the fahr an' pour th' sweetnin', flair, vaniller ex-tract, hen aigs an' pee-cans in there with it. Mash it all up together. Pour all that mess into that there store-bought pie hull.
Pile some big flat rocks up around the fahr to hold th' heat in, an putcher pie hull in there fur 'bout a air or so. Slap some homemade ice cream on there an' lay hell on it. When your done, you can take the 'luminum pie pan and feed your coon dog out of it.
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Hillbilly this is scary because I knew exactly what you were saying.
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The bow showed up today, looks really nice, Guava is a very handsome wood, not the mention the job done on it so far. I will let set for a couple or three days and stare at it until something hits me for overlays. I'll get pics out as soon as I can.
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NorthShore, your about as southern as it gets here. I was fortunate to visit the islands a few years ago. Went to one of those luau's (sp?) at the Polynesian Cultural Center. Had a great time. Don't know if I could take having those purple biscuits alot.....but they were good. Found an Archery range in the park at the end of Waikiki. Wish I'd have taken my bow and arrows. Between there , Kona, and Hilo I saw some good hunting areas. One area near Hilo looks like Jurassic Park.....spooky.
Dane, I'm with you. never liked those brains much either....nor cracklin cornbread. Almost broke a tooth once. But now give me a big glass of buttermilk and cornbread and a big onion, and I'm ready to watch raslin on the tube. Don't worry but coming over to our side, that Mason Dixon line is further North than most folks realize :D
I love the way the points look, Cowboy, and the bow looks great Pappy. Wish my skills were up there enough to help out. Maybe after I get a few hundred bows under my belt like you guys. :)
Ya'll remember me in yoor prayers this weekend. I'm taking 14 teens skiing in Gatlinburg. It's gonna be fun. I'll check back in Monday night.
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Dane, thanks for the recipe. I printed it and gave it to the wife......can't wait to sink a tooth in it.
I've got plenty of water buffalo horn strip left if ya'll want to put that on the tips. It sure buffs out nicely. I've made some arrow nocks out of it.
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Anyone know how the rest of the stuff is coming along?
Pappy
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i'm going to spend this weekend working on the quiver and sheath. my wife's out partying, so i can turn the dining room into a workshop again. i got all the needed measurements, but i want to make sure we're sticking to 6 arrows. is that still status quo?
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Marius, I'm working on 6 arrows(3 with Cowboy's store heads, 3 without). I'll send them on to Justin to complete the arrows(nocks, fletching, etc). Pat
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Hillbilly, bout time someone wrote some good southern english on one of these here threads! ;D
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I'm a thinkin ya boys better slow down a bit. you'll have that bow done shot out and wore out befor us northerns get an arra on the string. Lookin purty good for a bunch of rednecks,,,,lol I better go back home now I think I've taunted the troups enough,,,,,,,lol Keenan
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Have you guys planned what you will do with the bow set, and where the procedes will go? The last one sold too cheap, have you considered a lotterey, maybe 100 chances @ 10.00$ each. Just a thought, awsome bow, good work every one. Kenneth
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Kenneth, My thoughts are to send them to the Elk Federation, Quality Deer Management of the Turkey Federation for them to raffle off at one of their conventions, in the name of Prinitive Archer Magazine. Folks go to these banquits with thoughts of spending money to support the organization. I thiunk it would give PA good press also.
I've got the hardwood shafts, some with Cowboy's points hafted and some bare shoots, ready to send to Justin. I don't know if I should wait for Marius to send the quiver and sheath first or go ahead and send these now and the quiver when I get it.
Pat
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Good idea Pat, hope they sell good.Might be a good idea to let every one here know when and where so they could bid or buy chances.
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Kenneth, These are just my thoughts about what to do with the Community bow sets. We need imput and suggestions from everyone envolved though. Pat
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pat, i'm not sure what to tell you. i've spent the last two days trying things out, but all i've accomplished is the boot and the stiffener. it's stitchless alright, but it's also driving me nuts.
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Here are the shafts for the Southern Community Bow project. Three are hafted with the beautiful stone heads that Cowboy contributed(hafted with pitch glue and sinew, sealed with super glue). The materials used for these arrows are sourwood(Oxydendrum arboreum), Buffalo Nut(Pyrularia pubera),
privet(Ligustrum japonicum), and silky dogwood(Cornus amomum). The 3 hafted arrows are sourwood(camo), buffalo nut(tan colored) and privet(white colored).
For those not familiar with buffalo nut...dioecious shrub, 1.6-3.3 meters tall, believed to be parasitic on roots of deciduopus trees and shrubs. Grows through out the mountains and adjacient piedmont in NC, VA, Ga, Tenn, KY, and WV. This is the only species of this genus that grows in the US. I have heard it is related to mistletoe. The genus name "Pyrularia" refers to the oils in the nut. I've been told that a cotton thread can be strung through the nut and when lit, will act like a candle. Pat
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Marius, Looks good to me...especially with that one arrow with the turkey feathers. LOL Pat
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Hmm, Pat .....that red thread and fluffy fur looks a bit familiar........
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pat, your arrows look great (so far ;D ) but i've got one that looks better ;D
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Lookin good guys. Those arrow heads look even more deadly now that they are hafted.
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Shannon, Cowboy makes a very fine knapped head. I would hunt with one any day! Marius, You are one of the lucky ones! ;)
Steve. Marius started mouthing off so I shot that at him(just missed, too)...so you had better watch your step! Pat
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Wow guys, this thing's really starting to come together!!
Pappy and Greg B - that bow is looking great. Marius - I don't know anything about quivers, but that's some fine leather work and looks liks a hell of a foundation for a good one. Pat - those shafts and hafting look like they've walked right out of our primitive past!
I don't know where this set may sell but if it's a raffle - I'll be buying a few tickets myself. If it's going to be auctioned at some higher profile function that'll be for the better good - lot's of exposure for PA.
Wonder if there'd be any way to raffle off a set here within the community one day though? A ten dollar raffle ticket wouldn't hurt anybody but depending on participant's - may generate a considerable amount of moola. Only problem would be - what to do with the proceeds?
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wow you guys are moving along. just got back on planet earth myself. just wanted to let ya know if pappy touched that bow its gonna be a shooter . have one of his in the truck and spent a half hour the other morning shooting over the target till i get get ajusted to the speed.
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St. Judes Childrens Hospital can always use the cash or the Cancer Society, I saw the set go cheap at Mojam last year, it was heartbreaking. The winner was very happy tho.
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Hey it's looking good guy's.The NWTF convention in Nashville is full of people with deep pockets ready to buy something.Might be a good place for exposure and good aution.
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Looking good ,guys,who says us Southern boys can work together.Any where yall want to sell it is fine with me,just hope it is somewhere people know and will appreshate it.
Pappy
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Ok fellas here they are. I tried and tried to come up with some unprecedented exoctic combination that would wow the massess, but when it came right down to it, this bow just seem to beg for some good old fashioned "Show Me" whitetail antler.
I think it really accents the wood grain, color and everything else. Hope it's to everyones liking.
I need to know who it goes to next and after a take a few shots with it I will get'r shipped out.
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Sorry about the bad pics, my camera is pretty old and cheap.
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Those overlays look great. Good job. I think Bullcreekboy was gonna put some sturgeon skins on next?
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Looks good to me.I think they match the wood great.I don't know who gets it next but
maybe they will chime in.
Pappy
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Wow, apparantly you have to be careful where you point the bow, cause your gonna hit it. That's a sweetheart pappy.
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It dose shoot good,I don't know how that happened :)Some one is going to get a nice bow that is for sure.I can't wait to see it finished.
Pappy
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Skeaterbait,
I believe it is coming to me next for the sturgeon skins. The tip overlays look great.
Shannon King
205 West Clinton
Rogersville, MO 65742
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Nice job Lonnie!!
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Skeaterbait, I don't know if you want to mess with it,....but you can make those tips much, much narrower !!!
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I thought about that but didn't want to experiment on this one.
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Go for it ;)
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this is where you can safely take them
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Nice tips Manny.I like that.I usually make mine very small also but wasn't sure on this one.
I know it seem like really tough wood.
Pappy
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I haven't shipped the bow yet and would certainly narrow the tips. Like most, I like the narrow tips but am curious as to how this will affect the currentl tiller????
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It shouldn't affect the tiller if you just do the last couple of inches.It doesn't bend
anyway.I don't think you will have a problem as long as you don't thin it to much.
Just narrow it.
Pappy
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Ok, here we are with overlays part deaux.
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Good job looks good skeaterbait
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Skeaterbait,That looks great,You show hidden talent ;)Someone is going to be proud.
Pappy
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Very nice! How much are we asking for that bow? ;D
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Yeah it looks nice with more delicate tips, fine detail work S.
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patb, justin, don't mean to be a pain in the rear, but could you tell me one last time what the maximum length (including tips) of the arrows will be? also, the length from the wrap at the front end of the fletching to the nock, so i can determine the length of the hood that will cover the fletching.
i'm getting ready to cut the stiffener and don't want to cut it too short, but don't want to leave it too long either.
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Marius, The arrows I'm working on(without the fletching) is 31 1/2" from the tip of the stone point to the back end of the arrow. Justin is doing the fletching and nocks I believe. Pat
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Dang Skeater - those tips and overlays are looking sharp!! I'm getting inspired here.
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The tips came out great Skeaterbait. I love antler tip overlays when they still have the outside of the antler left on the top like those. I always make them too thick and end up fileing them down until there is nothing left but white antler.
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Good looking tips! I do like them better since you narrowed them. I agree with Shannon that leaving some of the outside of the antler on was a good touch. ;)
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Thanks guys, I was hoping the antler was the right choice. I'll be sending it on very soon.
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Antler is always a good choice! She's looking good. Pat
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Hey there you'ins better slow down now! >:( Your blowin us yankees away! I gota get a fire lit up under some of our troops rear ends....lol. :D
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I've got the 3 Southerner's shafts with stone heads(Cowboy's) and 4 extra shafts packed up and ready to go to Justin to finish, so Justin when ever you're ready I'll ship them. Pat
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Marius, sorry Ive been sleeping on the job. I would like 6 inches for nocks and fletchings. So about 25 1/2 from the tip of the arrow to the start of the fletching.
Pat, I'm ready whenever you are. Ship away. ;D Justin
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I'll send them out tomorrow! Pat
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thanks pat, thanks justin. i'll adjust the length and finish it this weekend.
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Justin, The arrows(shafts) went out this morning. You ought to have them in a week. Let me know when you get them. Pat
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The bow is on it's way Shannon, you should see it early next week.
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I will keep an eye out for it skeaterbait. I am looking forward to laying my hands on it.
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Shannon, I forget...were you putting sturgeon skins on it? I'm sure you'll do a great job whatever your contribution. ;)
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Yep Greg that is what it will be getting. The sturgeon skins I have are small so I will have to do one limb wrap on each limb at the joint. I will try to position them so they are symetrical. Who is inline after me? Or am I supposed to put the finish and handle wrap on it also?
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BTW Shannon, be sure to look in the envelope that is the mailing label on the tube, Pappy put a note in there that if not for the lady at the post office, would have snuck by me. ;D
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Lookin good Marius.
Pat,
It doesn't look like we have anybody in line for the bow after it comes to me. Anybody out there want to put a handle wrap or finish on it? If we want the rattan handle wrap on it I guess you need to send it to me. I looked for some yesterday in town so you wouldn't have to bother with it but I struck out. Where do you purchase it at? Here is my address.
Shannon King
205 West Clinton
Rogersville, MO 65742
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Shannon, I'll be happy to send the rattan to you if you want to do it. I have plenty to spare. I have bought rattan caning from Ben Franklin's and other craft type stores. From those places it came in a kit. The last time I got some, it came in bulk from a local craft store. I'll get it in the mail to you early next week. Pat
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Sounds great Pat. There is a Ben Franklin store in downtown Branson. I will have to check it out next time I am down there. I don't mind doing the rest of the stuff that is left to do. I just wanted to make sure I don't do it and someone else was inline for it. You're going to have to give me a little tutorial on how to put it on. Do we want an arrow rest on it or just shot off of the hand? I can put a Truoil finish on it or a urethane finish. I wish Dano was on our side. It puts on a killer T-Bird finish that looks like it is mile deep. ;D
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Shannon, I can walk you through the application. It is very simple. I think an arrow rest should be added. Not everyone can or will want to shoot off of their hand. I usually use shoe leather saturated in super glue for an arrow rest. I can send some of that along also.
I would use the Tru-oil. With enough coats, you can get a deep finish with it also. If you give the bow a good hand rubbed oil treatment first, the grain will really jump. I usually use linseed oil for this but I think tung oil does a better job. You will have to let the oil dry well for a few days first before adding the Tru-oil. Pat
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Pat,No need to send the leather. That is exactly how I make my arrow rests also. I will pick up some tung oil in town this week. I have never tried that. I like trying new things. I always just apply the Tru-Oil. I usually go with six or seven coats of Tru-Oil with some sanding and steel wool in between and then follow it up with a couple coats of wax. How flexible is the rattan? Do I need to steam it or soak it before I wrap it around the handle? I assume that I need to apply in to the handle about half way through the finishing process so it gets some finish on it aswell. I assume I glue one end of the rattan down to the handle and wrap over it and when I get the end of the handle I tuck the tag end under the wrap. Is that correct? Do we want this thing to have an arrow rest on both sides of the handle so it can be used by a lefty and righty? Sorry for all of the questions I just don't want to screw it up.
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A double shelf would be good just in case. When I'm puting rattan wrap I'll soak the rattan in warm water while I'm getting everything ready. About 30 minutes should do. Then remove it from the water and remove the excess water and begin wrapping like you would with a string serving. I don't glue the beginning first. Usually I like to wrap so the wrap goes the dirrection of the shooting hand fingers. This will prevent the wrap from loosening with time. I'd do it for right hand because most folks are right handed(even though you will have a double shelf). When you get to the end tuck the tag end under at least 3 wraps and pull tight. You may have to use a small awl of something simular to adjust where the wrap goes under the rest.
When it is totally dry, usually the next day, trim the excess rattan. Then I add super glue, between the wrapping at both ends to secure them but also anywhere it will go between the wraped rattan along the handle. After that has dried I sand the rough parts of the rattan with fine sand paper and and the finish oner the wrap as you do the rest of the bow. If there are rattan "hairs" left after sanding a flame will eliminate them.
A couple of coats of Tru-Oil on the handle area before the wrap will seal the handle area under the wrap. Pat
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Thanks for the info Pat. It almost sounds too easy. LOL I may be asking for help if I run into any trouble. I hope I do this bow justice.
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I'm sure you will do fine Shannon but if you have any questions, just ask! Pat
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Looking good so far.Looks like it is all coming together.If I am needed just holler.
Pappy
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I didn't really have anything to say,just wanted us back on top. :D
Pappy
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Shannon, I put the rattan in the mail this afternoon. You should have it in a few days. Greg, I put some in the mail for you also. You will have to share yours with Pappy, though. There is plenty for both of you. Pat
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Thanks Pat. I am expecting the bow any day. I will get to work on it ASAP when I recieve it.
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Shannon, It will take about 7' to do a 4" handle. The 2 pieces I sent should make 4 handle wraps. Work with the whole piece to be sure you have enough to complete the handle wrap. A splice in the handle doesn't look or feel good. Let me know if you need help. Pat
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Pat you are too generous. ;D Now I owe you something. LOL
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didn't have much time lately, but today i added a little gimmick to the hood.
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Cool Marius. Pat
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That's a nice touch Marius! Kinda like a community makers mark, whoever buys the rig - if they don't become a subscriber will always have a reminder of where it came from.
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How's that bow coming Shannon? ;)
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I think the post office has lost it. >:( Skeaterbait has a tracking number that I tried but it doesn't tell anything other than he dropped it off at the post office. Skeater was out of town on a hunt last week so I called the post office and they gave me the run around. He is going to stop by there tomorrow and rattle their cage a little. ;D As soon as I get it I will start on it. I hope it arrives soon. My free time is about to come to a stand still.
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I hope it's not loss! I was expecting to see some of your magic performed on it by now. ;)
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Hey Pat, I got the arrows today. I'm thinking horn reinforced knocks on the ones with obsidian points and spined guava on the practice arrows. What do you guys think.
Marius, I like that quiver, she is beautiful. Justin
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Good! Your suggestions sounds good. The buffalo nut shafts have a large pith that will probably have to be plugged. It is tough stuff but will split lengthwise. If it does split, a little super glue and a wrap will fix it. Until they are finished, the spine can be adjusted by scraping or sanding along the middle of the shaft. Also for every inch over 28" you can subtract 5# of spine weight and the natural taper of the shafts can give 10# or so of reduced spine weight. Pat
ps. The heads aren't obsidian. Cowboy knows what they are.
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;D ;D I didn't mean obsidian, I meant stone. You can tell what kind of stone I have access to. Justin
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Looks like every thing is coming along nicely,great job to all,so far. :)
Pappy
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I have some good news. The tracking number shows that it arrived in town this morning so I should have it this afternoon. ;D
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Outstanding! Looking forward to see it after you get through, know you'll do a great job! ;)
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My wife just called me here at work to tell me that the bow has arrived. ;D I can't wait to get home.
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Dang Shannon, you beat me to it. :P
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Shannon, stop shooting that bow long enough to tell us what you think about it! ;D
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Alright guys I got it unwrapped. It looks a lot different from when I sent it out a couple of months ago. I shot it a few times but did not want to push it since I don't know what kind of environment it has been in. It shots wonderful, right where you are looking. Greg and Pappy done an outstanding job on the tiller, shaping, and sanding. Skeaterbait those tip overlays are the prettiest antler overlays I have ever seen. They blend in seamlessly with the limbs. I have it sitting in my hotbox nice and cozy. I will start on it tomorrow night. You guys do good work, I hope I can do it justice. :)
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Thank you!
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Alright guys. I ended up with some free time tonight so I glued the skins on. ;D These sturgeon skins are alot thicker than snake skin. They are more like raw hide. I would venture a guess to say if a guy had a bow with a questionable back these would definately give you some protection. It took three skins and I was able to keep the joint on each limb close to the handle. I glued them on with TBIII, worked all of the air bubbles out and wrapped the entire bow with strips of fabric. I took it back out to the shop and put it in the hot box. What do you guys think about the color of serving I should use on the joints in the skin. I can get any color. I think red would probably look pretty good with the black skins. Here are the pictures of tonights progress.
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Can't wait to see it unwrapped, looks like it's gonna be a nice color combination,
Shannon are you going to finish it with Tru Oil ?
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Yeah I am going to finish it with Tru-Oil. First I am going to put a couple of coats of Tung oil on it. I have never used Tung oil but Pat said it will really bring out the grain in the wood. I like trying something new. ;D Hopefully we do this piece of guava some justice for you Manny.
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That will look great Shannon! Glad it arrived..in one piece! ;D
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Shannon, not to go against what Pat said, but the ones I used tung oil didn't come out that nice, weather Tru Oil got the wood to look real good,
from the pictures looks like that bow as a little purpulish tinge, is that rigth ??
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Looking good guys this is going to be nice.I may have to try some more of that wood.hint
hint ;D.Looks like everyone is doing a fine job.
Pappy
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Manny, I think that is more in the picture than the grain. However, my eyes ain't what they used to be ;D
Oh yeah, and I second what pappy said about trying the wood. ::) If you have need of any osage or hickory maybe we could work out a swap, with pappy getting first crack of course.
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Manny knows guave better than me. Use his suggestions. My statement about tung oil was a general observation. I do like the idea of red wrapping though. Pat
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I took the cloth wrapping off before I left for work this morning. It came out nice. :) I just need to clean up the edges of the limbs and work on the joint section a little. Manny it must be the pictures that make it look purpleish.
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First of all, I feel like a proud dad watching my kid doing good at something,...thanks a lot guys for doing a great job with that stave.
.....hopefully when I'll get a bit settle in the future I'll be able to go cut and store Guava (It grows like weed here)
and I'll be more that happy to trade/sell as much as people like.
...Again, it's an honour to see my wood used by you guys
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Bow looks great guys! I'm excited to see the finished product! ;D
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I got the skins sanded down on the sides of the limbs tonights and blended in. I didn't overlay them enough at the joint so they shrunk up and left about an 1/8" gap between the joints. >:( I filled the gap with a secret recipe ;D so the wrapping lays over the joint nice and smooth. I haven't figured out what to do with the area where the skins stop on the limb. I stopped them about 1/2" from the overlays. What do you guys think about me putting a small wrap of serving around the limbs where the skins stop. ??? Or do just want me to blend them into the limbs.
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I usually end skins short of the tips and use a silk thread wrap set in super glue. With a series of glueing and sanding and glueing, etc, you can make a fairly smooth transition so the string will slide over easily while bracing. Pat
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Looks like a good start with those skins Shannon. How did you find working with them? They are tough huh?!
Bow looks great guys.
J. D.
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JD, they are definately tough. They are a lot diffent to work with compared to snake skins. Even after you soak them they are till fairly stiff compaired to a snake skin. It was a bugger sanding them down when I blended them in on the sides of the limbs. I should have some pictures up this weekend.
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You're killin me Shannon, I head out for Texas on Thursday, don't leave me hangin with no pics. :o
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Sorry for the delay Skeater. Building our home is getting in the way of my bow time.LOL. Here is the bow with the skins on and the joints wrapped in red serving. What do you guys think? I still have to blend the skins in on the handle but the limbs are done. These skins are like sandpaper. They definately make for a now slip grip on the limbs. I will wait to soak the servings in super glue until I get the approval from you guys. Be truthful, let me know what you guys think.
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WHEWWWW! I can go to bed now. Thanks.
That looks great Shannon!
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Excellant Shannon. I love the way you matched the skins. The wraps look good, too. When you are ready to apply the glue, put plenty down on the wrap and while its still wet, use a finger to smooth around the wrap. As long as it is wet, you won't stick. You will have to clean the glue off your finger. Once it is cured, sand it with fine emory cloth and apply the glue again and smooth it with your finger. By doing this in layers, you get a solid band that is smooth and can be shaped a little if needed with the emory cloth.
You did a very nice job skinning the bow. Someone will cherish this bow for years. Pat
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Dang that is a pretty bow, and it not even finished yet. :o I think Ill just buy it. Justin
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;D ya thats looking great Shannon!
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Great job on those skins, surely got the most out of what you had ;D
..about the red wrappings, ...hmmm I'm not sold on them,.. kinda makes look at them instead of the skins, and the skins are beautyfull.
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Shannon, great job on the skins! The wrappings could go either way, a darker either black or brown might look better. It's one of those calls that you're not sure of until after you try something. I'm cool with whatever you want to do on this one. Really great job on a difficult task! ;)
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Nice job Shannon,I know you put a lot of work in on that,I just love those skins.JD said he might come up with some that I might trade him out of I hope he can,they look great.Are they a lot more trouble than rawhide or snake skins?I am with the other on the rap,I up for what everyone else wants.
Pappy
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Shannon, I personally prefer the red thread. I use red silk when I do any wraps on bows and on my arrows with self nocks. Pat
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You guys are killing me. ;D I will take the wrapping off of one limb tonight and wrap it in black. I will post more pictures of the red wraps and the black wraps. Then I say we take a vote on it.
Pappy, these skins are definately more like raw hide than snake skin.
Pat, have you mailed the rattan for the handle wrap yet?
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Don't let us kill yo.We need you. ;DThanks for the reply I thought the way you were talking that was the case.As far as the rap this is your part do what you think is best. :)
Pappy
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Shannon, I mailed the rattan out a week or so ago. If you don't have it in a few days let me know and I'll send more. I sent some to Greg and Pappy and they got it early last week. Pat
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Nice work Shannon! Strunk usually does his in red. This is a black wrap on one of mine.
J. D. Duff
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aaaah, now that looks cool. i like the black wrapping better ;D
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I'm fine with whatever Shannon wants to do. Will look great either way in my opinion. ;D
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If it were mine, I would use black... but it's not mine so it's your call. ;D
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how about using both colors, a red ring surrounded by black ;D but you're right, it's shannon's call
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how 'bout wrapping with real sinew ?? likely would dry sorta amber clear....
simply a suggestion.
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It sounds like the majority wants black so I will rewrap the joints and ends with black. I will post the new pictures when I get it changed.
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Alright guys here is round number two. ;D I used the finest thread I had which is serving for tying flies. There must be over a thousand wraps of thread around these limbs. LOL I have to agree that I think the black looks better. What do you guys think?
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perfect, it's absolutely gorgeous.
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Sweet,you show some hidden talent. ;)That is beautiful.
Pappy
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Awesome shannon, looks great fer a bunch of rednecks ;D ;D ;D
DanaM
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I think it looks great. Good job.
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Wow, Thats looking really good. Not bad for a bunch of Hillbilly rednecks,,,lol maybe ya'll should send that one up north to see if it will stand up to some good ol Pacific Northwest elk huntin... LOL,,, Keenan
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;D That looks great as well Shannon. I raided my fly tying box years ago for the same thread..Great stuff..
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I like the red wrapping better... ;D
Just kidding! ;D ;D ;D
I think it really looks great, Shannon sorry you had to go to so much extra trouble. :)
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Working on a bow is no trouble at all, Greg. I just wanted to make sure it was what everyone wanted.
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Nope - go back to the red. Ha, naw - don't know why but the black does look better, looks like it'll blend better in the huntin woods. That bow is lookin great!
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Guys, I had a heck of a time deciding on red or black when I did the bow pictured. I settled on black for lower visibility. In this case it seems to look better on your bow.
Shannon, that is a great wrapping job. I like your method of building finer thread up. Looks more professional. By the way--I loved that set of skins with the Stegosaurus scales. You laid them out beautifully too.
J. D. Duff
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I wished I would have had another set that had the big scales like the one limb has so it would have matched better. The skin on the opposite limb had big scales on it at one time but they were gone. Where they had been on the skin was transparent. You can see it in a couple of the pictures. That is what the brown on the limbs is. It is the wood underneath. I have a nice piece of yellar wood that would look good with a set of these skins. ;D
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She looks great Shannon. The black does look good...but I do still like the red. I think every hunting weapon should have red on it. I don't know why, just cuz I guess!
Anyway, She is a beauty! Pat
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Pat, you and I think the same on hunting bows. I like mine to have a little red on them too. Now that I have the black wraps on there I think they fit the bow a little better. I have the first coat of CA glue drying on the bindings as we speak. Pat, I am going with a couple of coats of tung oil first before I follow up with the Tru-oil. Do I apply the tung oil to the skins too or just the wood? I have only used Tru-Oil on the bows I have done with skins so I just want to make sure. Our post office here in town must be in a black hole or something because the rattan hasn't arrived yet. It seems like every time I mail something or someone mails something to me it takes twice as long for it to show up. >:(
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if you two like red so much, how about some red accents on the sides of the black wrapping? you know, like cresting on an arrow.
this is a set i made for a friends birthday. you can't see the cresting to well, but you get the idea.
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Very striking arrows Marius. You do pretty good work, no matter what the others say!
Shannon, I'll send some more so things don't slowed up. Pat
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....Soooo, where's the pictures of the finished bow ??? ;D...great patience work Shannon you're doing (I'm not so good at it :(.)
Great collective work on that stick
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Hi all you Rebs. I just posted to the northern bow thread, saying the bow sock is finished for those guys. Yours is now in the works, and should be done this weekend or the next one. It came out better than expected. I'll post pics of the finished sock tonight. Just got a new PC with Vista, so naturally, nothing is working right. That Bill Gates is evil, :)
Dane
PS Whoever gets this bow and gear is going to be very fortunate. Absolutely amazing work.
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Thanks Dane, we appreciate your efforts for the rebel cause.
Shannon, Still no sign of the ratan? Pat
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Pat,
No sign of the rattan yet. I will repost my address to make sure you have the right one. I have one coat of tung oil on the bow right now. The tung oil showed a couple of spots around the handle that need a little more attention with sand paper so I will try to work on those tonight.
Shannon King
205 West Clinton
Rogersville, MO 65742
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My pleasure, Pat.
Here are some pics. I still have to get a couple of big, fat bone beads, or something else suitable for the ends of the tie straps. Notice I made the tie string to look like a bow string, reverse twisted linen thread. The docorative band is tablet woven. I decided on green instead of red for the northern bow sock, as I just wasn't happy with how the red one came out.
Yours will be different looking, and maybe even nicer.
Dane
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Shannon, I'll send out more today.
Dane that looks fantastic. You sure are a crafty...person. ;D Pat
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Thanks, Pat. Yours is a'comming.
Dane
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Shannon, I put a few more pieces of rattan in ther mail just a short while ago. I sent it priority so look for it in 2 to 3 days. Pat
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You did a mighty fine job Dane. That is cool. Justin
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Dane, that sure looks a lot better'n a tater sack woulda looked! ;D
Really nice, can't wait to see what the one you have in store for us yebs will look like! ;)
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Dane, you do some mighty fine work. ;D
Pat, I will keep my eyes open for the rattan.
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Thanks, guys. Greg, looking back, I think that ratty tater sack might have been better. :)
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I have two coats of tung oil on the bow. It is ready for the handle wrap and Tru-oil finish. What do you guys want written on the bow? By the way them skins sure do look purty with a finish on them.
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pictures, pictures ;D ;D
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I will try to get some pictures up in the next couple of days. I worked on the arrow rests tonight. I put one on both sides of the handle.
If no one objects here is what I will put on the bow:
Primitive Archer
S.C.B.
53# @ 28"
What do you guys think on the string? I think a black and red string would look good on the bow. All I have is black and yellow and I am not the best at a flemish string. Our would you guys rather have a linen string? ???
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I think a dacron string for duribility. If it's OK, I will make a red and black B-50 string with one loop and a bowyers knot. If ya'll want 2 loops, someone else will have to make it.
Somehow, everyone in the community needs to be acknowledged either by signing the bow( not very practical) or with a certificate to accompany the set. Pat
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I think a dacron string for duribility. If it's OK, I will make a red and black B-50 string with one loop and a bowyers knot. If ya'll want 2 loops, someone else will have to make it.
Somehow, everyone in the community needs to be acknowledged either by signing the bow( not very practical) or with a certificate to accompany the set. Pat
And that is why I am making the certificates. Suitable for framing, with each person's name and their contributions on it. Eventually, I will need a list of each person and what they did. A bit confusing, so many have been a part of this so far.
Dane
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That case looks great Dane,if ours looks anything like that it will be cool.Thanks for your help
and we won't tell anyone you are a Sourthen sympathizers. ;)
Pappy
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Thanks, Pappy. Okay, our secret.:)
Your bow sock will be as nice or nicer, since this was good practice as much as anything else. I'm thinking of a different method to close the top, and maybe another innovation or two, like a pocket for a bow stringer. I expect to have it done by the end of the next weekend, if not this weekend.
Dane
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Alright guys here are some pictures. The bow has two coats of Tung oil on it. After the last coat I gave it a good rub down with steel wool. I have put an arrow rest(tooling leather soaked with CA glue) on each side of the handle and rasp them to shape. I applied the pen work to the lower limb. I tried to match the style of writing on the cover of the PA magazine to the words Primitive Archer. What do you guys think? I should be receiving the rattan in the mail tomorrow. Up next is the rattan handle wrap and six or eight coats of Tru-Oil. Do you guys approve so far?
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Excellant!!! The rattan handle and Tru-Oil will really kick it. The lettering looks great. I think we will keep you around! ;) Pat
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Dog gone that's a purdy bow.
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Thanks Pat and Skeater. I was a little worried that I would really screw it up when I tried to make the lettering look like the magazine cover.
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You done good!!! ;) Pat
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Yep! one sharp lookin bow!! Man I like those skins. The handle wraps and finish should really top it off.
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What ink do you use? Pat
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Don't laugh Pat. I use an ultra fine sharpie. ;D
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Man Shannon, you're doing some fine work there !!!
That wood looks pretty nice to ;D ;D
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;D ya looks great Shannon..I only use those pens too..great lettering!
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Dang you rednecks got it together, sweet looking bow guys.
DanaM
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bullcreekboy, you're a man of many talents. i like the lettering as well.
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Very nice job bullcreekboy ,you do fine work.Some lucky person will be proud of that.
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Shannon,
You've really done an outstanding job on that bow! When it's finished it will definitely be a piece or art. Great work! ;)
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Great job, Shannon! Somebody should definitely be very happy to own it.
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Thanks guys. Pat are you making a black and red flemish twist string for it? I am like you, I perfer a loop on one end and a bowyers knot on the other.
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Shannon, I can make the string. Should I? If so, what length is the bow? Pat
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Pat, If no one objects I would say go for it. Is there anyone else out there that would like to make a string for the bow? I can send the bow to that person, or they can send the string to who ever ends up with it. The rattan arrived today. You are too generous Pat. I have it soaking in the sink as we speak.
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Pat you have ruined me. ;D I love how the rattan looks and it is a very easy application that gives a good grip to the bow. What do you guys think about staining the rattan with some brown wood die? It might make it blend in a little better. Here is how my attempt turned out. Let know what you guys think. After it dries I will cut off the tag end and give it a light sanding.
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Shannon, You done good again! If you will notice, rattan has a rind on it like bamboo. I have tried dying it and it came out splotchy. You might want to do a few tests first before you dye the wrap. Also, after it dries, put super glue around the top and botton edge and where the tag goes under the wrap and anywhere along the wrap where there might be a gap. This will lock it in. You may see rattan "hairs" when it dries. You can cut them off or what I do is use a lighter and just burn them off. Do this before you seal it. Sanding with fine paper will smooth out ant rough spots. Pat
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Wow Shannon.....you done a fantastic job. I love it. Gotta get me one of those fine sharpies, very artistic lettering and the rattan looks great .
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This bow is coming out real good, well done Shannon,.. how long is that handle ??
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Looking better as it moves along,you guys are great. ;D
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You fellas are doin anexcellent job. Can't wait till it is done. Btw, rattan wrap looks great Shannon.
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Thanks Guys. I won't be able to work on it until next week. :( My house is getting in the way of my bow building again. Manny, the handle is 4".
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Thanks Shannon, how come it looks like there's so much handle on top of the arrow rests ??
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I see,...I really like how neet your shelfs are ;)
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you guys probably gave up on me, but here's another step towards completing the quiver: the lower strap including the sheath. it's made fromone piece of leather. endles and stichless, so to speak ;D
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Man you guys are good. So where do I go to purchase this bow? Should I just send the check now? Justin
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Lookin good Marius.
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Shannon, I have a red and black string twisted up but haven't served it(cause I don't know where) or added string silencers(cause I don't have any). Should I send it along as it is? Pat
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well, i tested the quiver last night.
the bad news is, it's a total failure. the stiffener is in the wrong place (on the bottom instead of the side) and i can't fix it.
the good news is, i have enough leather to start over (but it won't be stitchless). i was thinking about a fred asbell style approach. i took next week off, so i should be able to finish it next week.
sorry guys, that's what happens when i try to get too creative. it's actually pat's fault. he got me going on that german engineering thing. i was trying to come up with some neat ideas and disregarded the most basic aspect: gravity.
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Sorry to hear about your quiver mishap. I know what you mean - experimentation means risk, and it doesn't always work out the way you want. But, I find mistakes are the best kinds of learning tools, even if painful.
Guys, the bow sock is coming along. The threads are measured out. Only have to get the loom warped and get it finished.
Dane
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Dane,
Looking forward to seeing it when you finish, I'm sure it will look really nice!
Thanks again! ;)
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Hey Marius, I'll take the blame if you don't get discouraged. ;) Looking forward to seeing the new quiver. Pat
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Hey guys I just wanted to give you an update on the bow. I haven't been able to work on it since I put the handle wrap on it last week. Between work and family life I haven't had any time. I should be able to get back on it this week. Pat I will get you a measurement on the string tomorrow. Sorry I am holding up the progress guys. :(
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..or I can send it to you and you put it on the bow and serve it. Either way. The string is plenty long enough, the excess can be cut off later.
What about string silencers? Pat
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That will work Pat. I have black wool yarn that I use for bow silencers if you guys want that.
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Hey Marius, I'll take the blame if you don't get discouraged. ;) Looking forward to seeing the new quiver. Pat
me discouraged? my horoscope is taurus. i'm as stubborn as they come ;D
bullcreekboy, i'm grateful for the slow down. ;D
this might turn into a race, between the bow, the arrows, the bowsock and the quiver ;D
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You southern boys talk to much 28 pages compared to the northern 18 pages ;D
Now get back to work eh. LOL
DanaM
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Yeah DanaM, and when you consider how slow us southern boys talk, it's a wonder we gotten any work done! ;D
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A race? An arms race of sort, then, :)
Greg, the problem is you all sit around eating too many moon pies, drinking too much coo-cola, RC or otherwise, and then having seconds of sweet potatoe pie. The yanks have learned the value of trudging to work each day and tending their factory jobs, even if a few get sucked into the machinery and perish in horrid ways.
No puritans settled down that way, right? :)
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Dane.........PLeeease, there is NO value to trudging to work to tend you factory job each day. Just sometin' you yankees have bought into ;D......bob
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I strongly agree with my whole entire being with what Bob said! ;D
I know what I'm talking about on this one believe me, I have one of those factory jobs! ;)
Who was it that said in one of the recent strings that the most of us were born a couple of hundred years to late? I think he nailed it...
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Amen Greg and Bob.......besides....down here in JawJa we have Mill's...cotton Mill...saw Mill....just Mill's ;D
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....Further in Jawja also have "somma Teeth"--------------some are here some are there-wait a minute I'm not in jawja ! ;D ;D..bob
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Dane.........PLeeease, there is NO value to trudging to work to tend you factory job each day. Just sometin' you yankees have bought into ;D......bob
Maybe so. I only had one actual factory job, for one week. Believe it or not, what I did was stand in this cold room and watch vegeterian hot dogs (they made no-meat products, veggie fake bugers and other weird stuff you could not pay me enough to eat) shoot out of this extruding machine and into this big tub. They flew out of this very fast, and what I had to do for 8 hours a day was toss the hot dogs that were damaged by the machine into another bin, so it could be put back in the gigantic vat of stuff and be re-extruded.
I thought I was going to go insane, and thankfully, left before I got sucked into that machine. I suspect I would have tasted better, though. :)
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Man the work you guy's are doing is so good it brings a tear to the eye of a good Southern Boy,and probally one of the last born and bred cracker's left in Florida. The rest moved to North Carolina and the new ones Habla Espanola.Ya'll doing real good.
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Bob, thankfully I can't be accused of being a "toothless " wonder ;D
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So, what's happening? I've lost track of where the bow is and what all else is going on... :)
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I have a string ready to send to Shannon. After looking back a few posts I see I should have already sent it. :o I'll get it out today. Pat
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Guys I apologize for being so slow lately. :-[ I have been spending all of my time either working or keeping my framers on track. Plus I had the Easter weekend family thing thrown in as well. I will try to start putting the finish on later this week. Again I am sorry for the delays. If I don't get some free time later this week I may pass the bow on to JigNFrog. He posts on here sometimes and is one of the guys that got me starting building bows.
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i might as well join in on the apologies. my progress was slowed by some "honey do's". i've finished the cup and am currently working on the gripper. next would be the inserts for the cup and attaching everything to the stiffener. last but not least will be the second part of the strap and that's it. ;D
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No need for apologies guys, life tends to get in the way of what we'd rather be doing sometimes. I had just loss track of what was happening and thought we could use an update... :)
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I'm not going to apologize. I have broken enough wood lately that I decided I better not pick up the arrows to work on them. ;D Justin
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Hey guys I passed the bow along to Jig-N-Frog. He came by tonight and got it. He is going to put the finish on it. I told him to keep us posted.
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Sounds good Shannon...how's your house progressing? :)
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It is starting to go better. The framers should have it dried in by the end of next week. It has been a struggle trying to juggle a full time job, family life, and playing the role of general contractor on our new house. Some days I wish I wasn't such a tight wad and would have paid someone else to be the general contractor. If it wasn't for my brother being a home builder and helping me out I am sure it would be going a lot worse. LOL. I wish I would have had more free time to finish the bow but I figured it would be better to get Ron involved in this that way we had one more person to add to the community.
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hey guys
As Shannon said I have the bow and will start finishing it this weekend. I am honored to be able to help on this bow. The pictures really don't do it justice. It is a great looking bow. I will keep you posted on the progress.
Jignfrog
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Welcome aboard Ron! :)
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Finally had a chance to work on it tonight. I have put a few coats of tru oil and will do it again tomorrow. I thought maybe you all was wondering about me. I will go over to Shannons ( he has the string for it now ) and post some pictures when I am done finishing it. Thanks again.
Ron
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How is it doing,have any of you guys shot it much,Man it really shot great when I had it.Can't wait to see some pictures. :)
Pappy
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Yeah Pappy, I enjoyed shooting it too! That bow needs to spend some time in the woods in someones hand! :)
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Yeah Pappy, I enjoyed shooting it too! That bow needs to spend some time in the woods in someones hand! :)
OOOOOOO, pick me pick me!!!!!
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I am ready to start the third series of Tru oil, steel wool.tru oil etc...... I didn't get a chance to work on it yesterday. ( Bought a new ( to me ) bandsaw. ( upgrading ) Had to drive 200 miles one way to get it. But saved 300 dollars doing it so I guess it is worth it. I will work on it today and tomorrow. I will get ahold of Shannon and see when we can post some pictures. Or I can give it a shot later. No I haven't shot it. ( even though I have been tempted to string it up) I have resisted so I could spend my time finishing it. Thanks and I will keep you posted. Sorry for the late emails. Its garden time and have been tilling and getting a garden ready also. So between work and all the honey doo's I only get a few minutes a day plus I have a couple of other projects ( bow's) I have been working on also. See ya.
Ron
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I thought you guys might want to see the arrows. Pat haft-ed the points and sent them to me. I added buffalo horn reinforced nocks and fletched them. I put turkey feathers on the hunting arrows, and goose feathers from Kenneth on the practice arrows. The shafts are buffalo nut, silky dogwood, privet, and sourwood. They have no finish on them, so if anyone wants to finish them this is your last chance to speak up before I do it. Justin
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........Nice work Justin. Are feathers glued(hide glue) to shafts ?...........bob
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Yes Bob, hide glue. I cut the feathers with a shard of obsidian too. (actually several shards) The cuts aren't perfect, but all in all I would say it worked pretty good. Don't tell anyone I used super glue on the horn inserts though. Justin
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Just in case nobody remembers the stone points are from Cowboy. Justin any surprises with the hardwood shoot arrows? You did a nice job with the nocks and fletching. Pat
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No surprises, I like them. Justin
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Nice job guys someone is gonna be lucky to get em.
danaM
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TOO COOL!!!!
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Nice job Justin
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Really nice job on those arrows to everyone involved in making them. Extremely nice! :)
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Very nice arrows. I am done with the bow. I will get some pictures asap. Sorry for the delay.
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Great job on the arrows Justin.....too cool. I prefer the reinforced self nocks to modern plastic.
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Great work on the arrows Justin, Pat, and Cowboy.
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Pat and I had it easy. Everybody will be so busy looking at cowboy's points, they wont criticise what we did. ;) Justin
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Here is a picture or two. If this works I will go out an take more pictures. ( better pictures )
Ron
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Ron, Can you make the pics bigger. Try 640x480. Pat
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OK it worked so I will have my wife take pictures this time instead of my 7 year old. LOL
The next pictures will be a lot better.
I was thinking on taking the bow with me to Tennessee next weekend. How many of you will be there?
Ron
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Bring it on! ;D I'd love to see it skinned out and finished. Pat
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Well, I would love to see it. But Pat told me that I cant touch it, or any other bow that they don't want broken. :'( :'( Pat is such a bully. Justin
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here is another try at pictures. Sorry I suck at this stuff. Shannon told me how so maybe I can do it today. If this works I will post more ( better ) pictures tomorrow. Sorry and thanks for the patience.
Ron
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Everything's lookin great guys! Life has gotten very busy for me as of late - haven't had the time or energy in the eve to fire up the ole laptop, much less relax with anything primitive.
Those fletchings and nocks look great Justin, I'll need to get off my but and try my hand at it with some shafting I got from Bob (Kowechobe) ;D. Guess I arta try and find the time to make a descent bow too, Ha.
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Excellant looking string! ;D Pat
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Ron, try and come if you can. We would like to meet you and also see that southern bow again. There are around 15 or so from PA that I'm aware of that have said they're coming to the Tn. Classic. ;)
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Pat, that is a great lookin' sting...have any idea who made it? ;D
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Greg
Nothing is gonna stop me. I have been looking forward to this since the PA magazine had the story on it. I go every year to the MOJAM and hope this is just as good or better. Plus I have never really been to Tenn and the weather should be aloooooooot better than in July ( mojam ) that 100 degree weather is hard on country boy like me. LOL Plus I would like to meet those that I talk too on this forum. I can't wait. I want a couple of them snakey osage staves you guys have down there.
Ron
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Not 100* ;D It was 96* here today. Justin
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Yea I had the air conditioner on today as well. I will bring rain with me I am sure. Get the oil and lard out. LOL
Ron
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Ron, it looks great, looking forward to seeing it in person.
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That's great Ron, glad to hear you're coming! Looking forward to seeing the bow again now that it's finished. :)
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Saw the bow this weekend, and all I can say is... "Outstanding!"!!!!!!!!!!
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After seeing it in person this weekend, I'm even more impressed. Y'all did a helluva job on it, whoever winds up with it is gonna be mighty happy.
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Yeah, that bow is lookin sweetttttttttt!
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Well, I've got it and the arrows and I am very happy! ;D Pat
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Beautiful bow!I hope it fetches many "Franklins" ;D
Rich
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looks like i'm the last to deliver (how embarrassing :-[ ) and i won't get back to it until monday. today is father's day in germany and i'm taking my son to a 4-day camping/archery tournament event. the most important one of the year (at least to me it is). that's where most of the german traditional archery forum members get together.
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I got to see the bow at the Classic and it is one fine looking bow,I think them yanks are going to have there hands full to top that.Just hope we have a good way to sell it and it brings what it should.Dose anyone know where it will be auctioned?
Pappy
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Hi guys. I've been out of the loop here. Is the bow totally finished? I can have the weaving done by Sunday and the sock done by Monday or Tuesday - time got away from me. And, where do I send it?
Dane
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Dane, Pat has the bow and arrows, so I guess that is where the sock would go. Justin
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Yeah Dane, like Justin said...Pat has the bow, and I think the only way we're going to get it away from him is to pry it from his lifeless fingers after he's passed on. ;D
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...from my cold dead hands! ;D Pat
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Be carefull Pat. That is a incredibly fine bow, you don't want to tempt someone too much. ;) Justin
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Yeah Dane, like Justin said...Pat has the bow, and I think the only way we're going to get it away from him is to pry it from his lifeless fingers after he's passed on. ;D
Well, be sure and wipe off the blood aftwards :)
Pat, I need your mailing address. Oh, I will post pictures before sending it off to it's new home. Just keep in mind, if you get blood on the wool, cold water will get it out.
Dane
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How about posting some pictures Pat. ;D I did not get to see it finished before Ron took it to the classic. I never really got to shot it that much either. How does it shot? I hope I did good enough on my part to please you guys. :)
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I haven't checked on this in a while, and I just have to say, WOW! What a great bow, arrows, bow sock, too huh? great! quiver is done?(almost?) You guys did an incredible job on the set. I might have to pitch in next year, y'all are having too much fun without me! :)
Sean
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Yea Pat what is yer address again, I need a new bow ;)
Dana
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BC, I'll take some pics tomorrow.
Dane, Did you get my PM.? Sorry Dana. You'll have to wait on pics! Pat
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Hey guys, jignfrog posted a couple of pictures on page 34. They are kind of small, but they will wet your appetite. Justin
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Here are a few pics I took this morning. Pat
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WOW, Pat I googled ya and now know where ya live ya better lock up and release the gaurd dogs ;D
Awesome job guys, I still think a raffle would raise the most$$$$$
DanaM
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Very good pictures. The arrows look great. The string and handle wrap material is outstanding that person needs a PAT on the back. LOL ;D
I think it would be nice to have a list of who done what on the bow. Does anyone know exactly?
I agree with Pappy the yanks won't win this one.
Ron
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Shannon, you did a great job with your contribution to the bow as did everyone involved in my opinion. It really looks great I think! ;)
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You guy's did a fantastic job.That bow is SWEEEET!
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Pat, thinks for puttin' the bow down long enough to take those pictures...pretty good sleepin' partner too is it? ;D
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BC, I'll take some pics tomorrow.
Dane, Did you get my PM.? Sorry Dana. You'll have to wait on pics! Pat
Pat, I did. Thanks. I was out of town over most of the weekend, so only now getting a chance to post. I expect to have the sock in the mail by end of this week, or early next week at the latest.
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Very good pictures. The arrows look great. The string and handle wrap material is outstanding that person needs a PAT on the back. LOL ;D
I think it would be nice to have a list of who done what on the bow. Does anyone know exactly?
I agree with Pappy the yanks won't win this one.
Ron
Speaking of....does anyone still want to have a presentation certificate? I said I'd do that, but I will need a list of particpating craftsmen, and details of what each guy did.
Dane
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Dane, That would be great. We should do name, where you are from and what part you took with this Community bow. I'll start: Pat Brennan
Brevard, NC
Donated rattan for handle wrap and made the string. (and a damn nice string I might add) ;D
Pat
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Mark Baggett[Pappy] ,Clarksville,Tennessee.Tillered.And I will have to say it has a mighty fine string on it to. ::) ;D
Pappy
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O ya I made the knife also,been so long I almost forgot,I might add a mighty fine knife it was
and did I mention the string. ;D
Pappy
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Mighty fine answers. The more details, the better, such as exact listing of materials used (for instance, buffalo horn overlays, xxx kind of sinew string, kind of wood for handle, etc), to include.
Maybe each guy can email me what he did? danemitchell@comcast.net is my email. Just put Southern Bow in the title of the email, and I can compile a complete list and run it by the board to make sure I get it exactly right.
Thanks!
Dane
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Trying to remember...think I did some floor tillering, and final sanding after Pappy finished the tillering. ;)
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Pat,
Have I told you yet that that bow has a mighty fine string on it. ;D
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Wow! had to read a few pages to catch up - it all looks fine to me! and of course the string..........anxious to see how she sells.
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Man,I couldn't stand it.I had to go back and look at that string again.NICE
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What can I say! :-[ ::) 8) Pat
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What can I say! :-[ ::) 8) Pat
Ill tell you what you can say, you can say you are making one for me just like it. Justin
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Pat ,me to me to I got to have one of them strings.It was a mighty fine string I must say. ;D
Pappy
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Okay, I'll jump on the bandwagon with the rest of you guys...Pat that is one of the finest strings that I've had the pleasure to see! I'm sure we're all better people somehow from our association with that fine bow string! ;D
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If everyone has one, it wouldn't be special! ;) Not to hurt you guys feelings but... ::)
Pat, the fabulous string maker, B
if they only knew :o
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Your modesty does not bear close examination ! :o....bob
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in fact, if it wasn't for your modesty, you'd be perfect. ;D
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Well, they say better late than never? I just finished weaving the fabric at 4 AM today. Tonight, I'll be fulling the wool cloth, and then sewing her up tomorrow, so I can mail it out finally.
I'm really sorry it took so darn long. If you decided to go with the tater sack, I'll understand. Just let me know before I start sewing it up.
Dane
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Dane, still got a tater or two left in that sack...but you better hurry, those taters are lookin' might good! ;D
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Greg, thanks. The sock is partially sewn now.
Dane
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OK, here is how far i have gotten. i know, i'm way behind the power-curve but they say i work best under pressure ;D i'll post the progress of the quiver right here and hopefully the finished pics by the end of this week.
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Looks cool Marius. Can't wait to see the finished product. Pat
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yesterday i stitched up the gripper. i was allmost done, when i realized i had missed a stitch. so i undid it all and started from scratch. now i have blisters on my right middle finger from pulling the linen thread tight ;D
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today i burned the logo into the stiffener.
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Cool Marius. Looking forward to seeing it when done. You did a good job with the logo...and all of it for that matter. Pat
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just got back from a tdy trip to the netherlands. sorry i didn't get to post the pictures before i left. i hope it's not too late.
pat and hillbilly should recognize some of the arrows ;D
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Beautiful quiver and sheath Marius. It was worth the wait. I sent info and pics to Rocky Mountain Elk Federation a few days ago and will send them a pic of your fine quiver. Thanks for participating...you redneck you! ;D Pat
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Beautiful work Dustybaer ;D
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Looks great, Marius. Those are some good looking arrows you've got in there, too ;)