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Title: Winged elm bow
Post by: Timo on April 30, 2009, 10:03:16 pm

Got this stave from DCM a couple year ago @ mojam. Looked perty good in the log, but after splitting and taking off her clothes,I found that she had some nice curves and unusual grain.The limbs not only curve side to side but kinda roll back and forth,Had a lot of deflex in the handle so I left it and recurved the outer limbs. I had a hard time seeing the tiller on this one due to the twist. I guess it looks right?63" 45# @ 28".

I V spliced some bacote in the tips and over layed them with horn. The strike plate is also bacote. I tried the "Manny stance" on the hero shot.........Sorry Manny but it's still a bit cool here for flip flops! ;D



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Title: Re: Winged elm bow
Post by: Timo on April 30, 2009, 10:09:14 pm

Having trouble getting the pics up.

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Title: Re: Winged elm bow
Post by: Dano on April 30, 2009, 10:48:10 pm

Those tips are awesome Tim, can't wait to see the rest of this bow.

Title: Re: Winged elm bow
Post by: Timo on April 30, 2009, 11:16:17 pm

Had to get them to photo buckets to load.Here are some more pics.

And thanks Dano.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Timotoad/bow%20build%2009/elm8.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Timotoad/bow%20build%2009/rlm10.jpg)

Title: Re: Winged elm bow
Post by: Timo on April 30, 2009, 11:18:14 pm

More pics.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Timotoad/bow%20build%2009/elm1.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Timotoad/bow%20build%2009/elm2.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Timotoad/bow%20build%2009/elm3.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Timotoad/bow%20build%2009/elm4.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Timotoad/bow%20build%2009/elm5.jpg)

Title: Re: Winged elm bow
Post by: Keenan on April 30, 2009, 11:31:06 pm

Oh that is sweet Timo.  You definitely got my attention with that one, The tips look great and I love the profile and all the twist,curves,dips and dives are the icing on the cake. ;)  Congratulations on an exceptional bow.   Keenan

Title: Re: Winged elm bow
Post by: Dano on April 30, 2009, 11:40:24 pm

Flip flops might help your full draw picture, but that's juss me ;D

Georgeous bow buddy, I can see why this stave caused the delay.

Title: Re: Winged elm bow
Post by: adb on May 01, 2009, 01:11:46 am

A snakey D/R... WOW!!! That is truly an amazing bow. Very well done. Your tiller looks bang on to me.

Title: Re: Winged elm bow
Post by: Aosda on May 01, 2009, 01:24:41 am

Beautiful job.  I really like the tips.  What type of glue/epoxy did you use for the splice?  And it looks like you did the splice during rough out, correct?  The tiller looks good to me, the only thing I see is an extended flat spot on the lower fade, and if you look at the full draw pic, it looks like it might hinge.  Just my thought, could be the character of the wood.  Excellent work.

Tavis

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Title: Re: Winged elm bow
Post by: Timo on May 01, 2009, 10:46:31 am

Thanks Keenan,Dano, and ADB

Aosda,Thanks for the kind words,I use gel ca glue, I rekon bout any glue would work. Cleaned the bacote well.I think I had it tillered to about 24" when I added the tips. Did the v splice first,then figured it wouldn't hold since all the pressure would be on the glue joint,so I added the horn over. Seems to be holding fine.

As for what looks like a hinge?  It's been like that from the start.The stave rolls to one side at that point, Your're actually seeing the middle of the limb in that pic. The top limb does the same thing just opposite.I'll try to get some reverse pics later,(if it quits raining). ;D I normally don't tiller bows such as this very well.I learned over 15 yrs to strive for that perfect arc, and these r/d bows just screw with my mind. I need to learn it better though,cause this bow is a real pleasure to shoot. the light weight helps with that to I figure?  ;)

Thanks again.

Title: Re: Winged elm bow
Post by: Aosda on May 01, 2009, 10:56:35 am

Seeing some of your past work, I figured it was my eyes and the stave tricking me.  But figured I'd let ya know.  Again great job.

Title: Re: Winged elm bow
Post by: burn em up chuck on May 01, 2009, 11:05:49 am

 you've got quite the looker there. love those curves. nicely done

                                                                   chuck

Title: Re: Winged elm bow
Post by: OldBow on May 01, 2009, 11:17:52 am

Excellent bow and #1 for May Self Bow of the Month!

Title: Re: Winged elm bow
Post by: snedeker on May 01, 2009, 12:07:34 pm

Awsemo Timo.    I don't think Winged Elm is very prevalent in PA.

Dave

Title: Re: Winged elm bow
Post by: Kent D. on May 01, 2009, 01:50:45 pm

Love the looks of this bow.  Good job.

Title: Re: Winged elm bow
Post by: NOMADIC PIRATE on May 01, 2009, 02:11:42 pm

Cool little bow there Timo, I like when people think outside the box, nice one on the tips.


....You know you're from the mainland when you call them, Flip Flops  ;D ;D ;)

Title: Re: Winged elm bow
Post by: Timo on May 01, 2009, 04:12:30 pm

Manny, I figure if  the term "flip flop" was good enough for Jimmy Buffet, then it's good enough for me? ;)

What the heck do you islanders call them?

Thanks for the kudos,all.

Title: Re: Winged elm bow
Post by: NOMADIC PIRATE on May 01, 2009, 05:24:21 pm

Slippers Timo,...SLIPPERS  ;D ;D

Title: Re: Winged elm bow
Post by: Keenan on May 01, 2009, 06:39:02 pm

 I'm glad to see no one said "Thongs"

Title: Re: Winged elm bow
Post by: Kegan on May 01, 2009, 07:00:43 pm

Beautiful bow! Like the shape- heck, I like evreything about that bow. Between you and Manny, all these nice R/D bows make me feel like I need to get off my butt and finish one up :D! All this great inspiration- geeze!

Title: Re: Winged elm bow
Post by: Ryan_Gill_HuntPrimitive on May 01, 2009, 08:33:13 pm

thats a real nice looker there. i love that character and the grain above the grip looks really cool. congratulations - Ryan

Title: Re: Winged elm bow
Post by: Rich Saffold on May 01, 2009, 08:34:43 pm

All that osage you got Timo, and you make an Elm bow-Very cool ;D  Looks great and that's some wild looking grain on the back as well. I really like that Winged Elm and made a D bow  from a slender stick David gave me..Creative overlays as well.

Title: Re: Winged elm bow
Post by: 22arrows on May 01, 2009, 08:37:55 pm

Thats a beauty

Title: Re: Winged elm bow
Post by: AKAPK on May 01, 2009, 10:34:03 pm

Like the bow and the handle any tip on how ya did the leather rap?.Phillip

Title: Re: Winged elm bow
Post by: Timo on May 01, 2009, 11:06:23 pm

Thanks again everyone.

Rich,this is the second wing elm I've made.The first one was just as crooked. ;) Maybe one day David will find us a straight one? ::)

Here ya go AKAPK

http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,11781.0.html

Title: Re: Winged elm bow
Post by: Sidewinder on May 02, 2009, 11:39:05 am

Timo that is a very cool bow and looks like it was quite a challenge. I don't hae the experience or the guts to work something like that just yet but maybe someday. I think your curves are excellent all the way around.  Danny

Title: Re: Winged elm bow
Post by: cowboy on May 02, 2009, 12:53:31 pm

Great lookin weapon Timo! I call em flip-flops too ;D.

Title: Re: Winged elm bow
Post by: George Tsoukalas on May 02, 2009, 02:14:56 pm

Awesome bow, Timo. Jawge

Title: Re: Winged elm bow
Post by: AKAPK on May 03, 2009, 06:30:33 am

 :)

Title: Re: Winged elm bow
Post by: Timo on May 03, 2009, 10:50:37 pm

Sidewinder,the only way to gain experience is to get your feet wet. just remove everything that won't bend right. ;) ;D

Thanks George, and cowboy.

George, did you ever get a finish on that osage bow?

Title: Re: Winged elm bow
Post by: DCM on May 04, 2009, 07:42:27 am

You worked your majic again Timo.  With that tiller profile it should make good cast for it's weight.

You done inspired me bud.  And it looks like I got a day to work.

Title: Re: Winged elm bow
Post by: Bear on May 04, 2009, 02:12:47 pm

Very nice, Timo. I can only imagine how difficult it must be to tiller an RD with that kind of character.

Title: Re: Winged elm bow
Post by: Hillbilly on May 05, 2009, 02:30:13 pm

Fine looking stick there, Tim. You did a great job getting that tiller from that piece of wood. Like those spliced tips, too.

Title: Re: Winged elm bow
Post by: Timo on May 06, 2009, 08:21:28 am

 Thanks Mims,  and thanks again for the wood....I think?  ;D Interesting piece this one was. Almost seemed to be spalted in that upper limb. really nice colors going on with it. No dye job on this one.Even cut in a shallow shelf.I figured Ryano would be proud? ;D

Thanks Bear, and yes it was a "bear" to tiller.

Thanks Hillbilly, Had the idear to do some tips like that for a long time, just never could muster up the courage. Got several other thoughts on tips, but that will have to wait till next bow builidng season as right now I'm getting covered in work.

Title: Re: Winged elm bow
Post by: DanaM on May 06, 2009, 08:45:24 am

Love it Tim :) Picked a couple of winged elm staves up at the classic(plus a few others ;)) looking forward to trying it out

Title: Re: Winged elm bow
Post by: faltenhemd on May 06, 2009, 08:53:21 am

awesome bow! i like those wings.
(btw we also call them flip flops)

Title: Re: Winged elm bow
Post by: DCM on May 06, 2009, 08:57:18 am

I thought I recognized those big pieces in your truck Dana.  It's good you rescued them from Shannon.  He'd swore they weren't going back to Kaintuck with him.

I picked up a piece off of him as well.

It's a crying shame what these rendevous do to the price of bow wood, well unless you is wood po and in the market.  I say premium osage staves for $10.  Heck, Shannon had a premium, I'm mean straight as a string, HHB that was two bows wide at least and he said fellars was trying to bargain him off of $10 for it.

Timo I'm fixing to build a tri lam with a full riser mild r/d bow, ala the Wingnut paradigm.  See if I can get near widder behavoir from it.  Trying to figure out how add mass weigth to the riser, up to and including a piece of rebar....

A boy in the neighborhood cut a nice pignut, prolly 20" on the butt.  I could not help myself, and to stop and look yestiddy.  Called them and left a message I wanted a section but ain't heard back.  Darn shame to see it reduced to fire wood.

I need more bow wood like I need another hole in the head.

Title: Re: Winged elm bow
Post by: DanaM on May 06, 2009, 09:05:48 am

David I do believe I also ended up with the HHB ;D Split it down the middle for 2 staves :)

Title: Re: Winged elm bow
Post by: DCM on May 06, 2009, 09:13:03 am

Well at least you live up to your reputation.  LOL!  Good.  Glad it went to somebody who can appretiate it.  Lots of folks just don't realize what goes into fetchin' such up outa the booga woods.

Title: Re: Winged elm bow
Post by: Ryano on May 06, 2009, 09:23:46 am

Nice bow Timo. We don't have winged elm around here, just piss elm and slipery elm. I am proud of you for trying something new. Let us all know if it blows to pieces on you like some people seem to think they will.... ::)  ;D

Title: Re: Winged elm bow
Post by: Marc St Louis on May 06, 2009, 09:32:15 am

Very nice bow Tim.  Elm is one of the best bows woods I have available locally and I make use of it quite often

Title: Re: Winged elm bow
Post by: horseapple on May 06, 2009, 10:17:58 am

Nice work Timo, as always  8) got me inspired to turn the lights back on in the shop.

JD

Title: Re: Winged elm bow
Post by: Pappy on May 06, 2009, 12:42:11 pm

Sweet bow Timo,got to love them snakes.Very well done. :)
   Pappy

Title: Re: Winged elm bow
Post by: PeteC on May 06, 2009, 08:07:48 pm

That's a beauty,I really like the tips,very unusual.Great job. God Bless

Title: Re: Winged elm bow
Post by: Timo on May 06, 2009, 10:53:37 pm

Thanks faltenhemd. :)

Thanks Dana, and good luck with your w/elm,(smells good when ya heat it up) ;D

Thanks Ryano,yes I play with different woods from time to time, but I always go back to my osage. Been thinking on another wood that ain't used much lately, but that will have to wait until winter.

Thanks Marc, I appreciate it. Bout time for you to post up another one ain't it? ;)

 Thanks JD! were you been hiding boy? Been chasing them wild women I rekon? ;) You going to the jam?

Thanks Pappy, I'll get down there to shake your hand next year.

Thanks Pete, I love to been different and unusual. ::)

Title: Re: Winged elm bow
Post by: brownhillboy on May 07, 2009, 09:26:33 am

Excellent bow...I love those curves!  You did a beautiful job on it! :)