Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: DanaM on January 21, 2009, 04:52:19 pm
-
Just popped a splinter on this bow 55#@28" I was working it on the tree as I can't pull that far when I heard that
sound that puckers ya right up "TICK" I'm wondering what all think about shooting it full of glue and wrapping it?
The bow is not for me but a group of teens so it will probably see lots of use and I don't want anyone getting hurt.
[attachment deleted by admin]
-
Dana,
from what i have seen others do, it seems like when glued and wrapped, that area stays pretty darn strong, and is more likely to be stronger than it was before. Pappy wrapped one up with serving that looked pretty neat and looked to be a real shooter. and least if it did break there again the wrap would serve to hold it together enough to be a soft break instead of an explosion. i would glue it, wrap it, shoot it in and see how you feel about it then. just wrap beyond where you think the splinter has traveled. I certainly wouldn't quit it there. looks like the beginning of a neat bow.
-
Good luck Buddy ! Never had to fix a splinter yet, but i bet you can do it !
-
The splinter is a good 2" long. I went ahead and glued it guess I have to try eh.
As ya can see when I wrapped the birch bark I had my wrapping to tight and left marks ::)
-
I'd fill the "splinter"(I'd hate to have that one in my finger :o ) with super glue and clamp it good until it dries. Then add a wrap across the break and done the splinter 1/4" or so. Silk thread set in superglue works well for this and would be sturdier than sinew with lots of kids using it. A matching wrap on the other limb will balance it out nicely.
Is the birch bark backing natural or glued on?
I see you added the birch bark. Pat
-
Glue it and raw hide back it! I hate wrap type repairs, might as well put duct tape on it as far as I'm consered.
-
ahh, ryano good idea, that's how ill fix my next one ;D. The duct tape that is >:D
-
uh oh Dana. :o Give the repair a try cant hurt. If it doesn't fix it good then it might be another fine walking stick for the wife's collection ;D looks like you got some time into it with that bark and all. I think I would try and save it.
-
I'm with Pat on this One Dana....wrap it good with Silk Thread soaked in Super Glue....and if you want to make it match ...go for it....also in order to Back this Bow....the Birch Bark that Dana glued on would all have to be stripped off....before the Rawhide....I wouldn't waste that much time on it....and then have to go back and retiller it too....I have one that pulled a good splinter....I superglued it....and backed it with Rawhide wrap...and added one to the other Limb....so that is another option...but I would just use the String for the Kids....will be a tough enough patch with the Silk....you cant ever be sure...if you don't give it a chance!!
-
I'm going to go with the thread wrap as it should work and is less work, also preserves the birch bark backing.
Backing it with rawhide would be 100% safe but with the work involved I might just as well make a new bow which would probably be faster.
And to be honest ryano while I appreciate your idea of backing with rawhide, whether you like thread wrapped repairs or not is your choice
but it contributes nothing to the discussion.
Thanks for the input folks.
-
Awwww Ohhhhh Ahhhhh Ohhhhhh
So Say the Spartans
-
You got to hate it when that happens. Most of the time mine just explode. I would definately wrap that rascal and give the thread a good layer of titebond. I wrapped on in hemp and used TB2 and it was as hard as nails. Good luck. Nice bow by the way.
-
DanaM...,
first off i have to say Wow... that really looks like a nice bow... i know you have put n some time and a whole lot of effort... but if i could say this... if the splinter on that bow is glued and wraped and the bow is actually saved then it would have turned out - much like some of the kids on this team... a good bow that had a unfortunant mishap can go either way... but with a little effort and some attention and maybe a quick fix... some super glue and a security wrap and some careful beak in excersize and if its in the spirit of the bow.. it just might turn out ok...
much like some of these kids.... a little superglue on whats broken...! a little guidance and attention... and a whole lot of excersize a stucterail training and who knows if there spirit is stronge than they just might turn out ok...! ;) and if not then at least it wont be for lack of some one trying to build them along...
please dont give up on the bow... i know its a 50 / 50 chance it might not turn out but ther is also a 50 / 50 chance that it does!!! and if it does, im sure the kids will feel like it means all the more to them... ;)
and i will make sure to put that in a class for them to learn and understand from it... either way if it survives or not they will get the lesson...
thank you for the kung fu...
i will make sure it becomes a lesson for them and hopefully the bow will survive and if not im sure the boys will have learned something from its storie anyway... ;D ;D ;D
-
Take a look at the post titled 'Hickory Splinter +" These guys just helped me save one.
-
What kind of wood is it Dana ? I have rapped a lot but the last picture kind of looks like dry rot.If that is the case it will probably do it somewhere else.How far have you had it out to ?
Pappy
-
Pappy its maple but don't know what kind ??? I cut the tree last winter, it was just a little one maybe 4" diameter,
split it and took the bark off. Roughed it out this spring with a machete, and had it in the house drying all summer.
Don't think the splinter was caused by dry rot, it goes down one growth ring, there is a smakk knot on the belly where it stated,
the knot doesn't go all the way to the back but I believe its just a bit stiffer at the knot which caused the splinter to lift.
The bow was basically done I had shot it at my short draw many times, but its tillered to 28" so I had it on the tree working it,
The bow has no string follow and maybe even a little reflex after setting a bit.
Shooter I haven't given up on it, I have a stubborn streak in me ;) It may not be quite so pretty when I'm done but then again
I'm not so pretty either :D
-
Well its wrapped and soaked in glue, guess I will see what happens eh :-\
-
Good luck with it Dana, looks like a bad splinter to me...but I'd be curious to see if it can be saved and holds up. I know you've made your mind up, but if I wanted to give it the best potential of surviving I'd wrap it in the area of the split and rawhide back it, then put your birch bark back on. A lot of trouble...but the bow wants to live...poor bow... Dr. Dana, is bow going to make it? ;D
-
Oops, you beat me to the "Post" button...forget my last posting! Best of luck! ;)
-
Greg that was the last of my birch bark so I decided to try the wrap with thread and superflue method.
This is my first serious splinter, guess I've been lucky eh
-
You asked for opinions and I only gave you mine Dana. ::) I've seen this kind of thing happen before and it never ends well with a thread wrap. IMO a rawhide or another type of backing is the only permanent fix for that problem, wrapping a limb with thread and glue isn't a permanent fix, kind of like duct taping the bumper on your car. It might get you down the road for now.....but. ;) Just trying to help. ;) ;D
-
Ryan thats a better explanation than you gave before, thank you :)
I'm not willing to go through the work of stripping the bow down to rawhide it, at that point the real answer is make a new bow :)
I'm interested to see what is going to happen with the thread patch if I hear one tick I will dissect the bow to try and figure out why it popped
in the first place.
-
I am with Greg on this one, looks like a pretty bad splinter, good lock. Kenneth
-
Dana....just to clear the air on this one....just how much of that Splinter was wood splinter....and how much was Birch Bark?? Looks like mostly Bark from this end of the Picture.....
-
I have only had one wrap repair fail and I didn't go past the crack on either side with my wrap, lesson learned. For the most bullet proof repair I use a syringe full of urac and inject it very deeply into the crack. Clamp the crack while the urac cures and follow with a generous braided nylon serving string wrap soaked in superglue.
Have you done a lot of wrap repairs Ryno? I have done about 10, all but the one mentioned are still shooting years after the repairs, they are a permanent fix in my opinion. Half were sinew, half were thread. Here is the worst, a bow broken in half except for the bamboo backing, cracked and splintered for 6" of the limb and into the fades.
The break
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/ekrewson/bow%20making/stevessbow2.jpg)
The sinew wrap where the broken ends come together.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/ekrewson/bow%20making/stevesbow1.jpg)
Still shooting, urac is the key, pretty bullet proof stuff.
Just took a picture of the wrap that failed.
I mis read the break which was at a node on a bamboo backed bow. I only wrapped the section below the node, I should have wrapped the node as well. Here is the failed section after the wrap.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/ekrewson/bow%20making/canedragonbreak.jpg)
-
Man that was a waste of some Purty Sturgeon Hides too!!!
-
Mike the birch bark was no thicker thana piece of paper, the splinter looked to be one growth ring thick, Eric now thats a splinter :o :D
Gonna try pulling it on the tree in a little bit.
-
I just hope it didn't have any Spalt in it...I bought a Maple Stave from a good Guy named John in Tennessee once last year....and it looked great had nice grain....beautiful color....I had it out to about 24 inches....and Blam.....and when it broke....the Air had a very slightly noticeable musty smell for just an Instant.....but then once I opened the crack up good and smelled of it....you could smell the Musty smell in the wood.....good luck and keep us informed......
-
Pulled it to 24" about 50 times so far so good, no time to play today though :( Going to see the surgeon about the shoulder
sure hope he can repair it, hope he doesn't suggest I wrap it and soak it in super glue :o :D
-
That would be better than sawing it into pieces and cooking brats with it. ;) ;D ;D Good luck with the shoulder.Don't want you to have any excuses when I kick your butt on the range at the
Classic. :) :) I have done several rap repairs with mostly success,some aren't to pretty but have held up.
I usually try and make a nice rap and then match the other limb once I see the repair works and it don't look to bad. :)
Pappy
-
No offense Dana , and I hope it works out for ya, but I'd start a new bow. I'd have a hard time shipping it to someone else with a splinter like that in it, even after I repaired it.Just my 2 cents. ;)
I know if you are looking into shoulder surgery you probably don't have a lot of time to make a new one before you go under the knife. Making bows while you are hurting is no fun. I know.
-
Time for honesty. I would never give a way a flawed bow. To me, that's a tomato stake. Jawge
-
Dana, good luck with the bow and extra good luck with the shoulder. Kenneth
-
I am like you George, never give away a flawed bow. All my bow fixes are repairs to other people's bows done as a favor. I do repairs on my old bows from time to time but these bows stay with me.
The bow in the wrap failure picture is a Vincent Minor Cane Dragon, on it's 5th owner if I remember correctly. After the wrap failed the owner gave it to me so I could recover the take-down sleeves.
-
The bow won't be given away, but I'm going to push the limits of the repair as a learning experience :)
-
Eric the one that held in your picture was splintered on the belly....not the back. Big difference. I've glued splinters on the belly with no wrap and they hold fine because its under compression not tension. I would tend to agree with you on the glue being a factor. Urac is good stuff. I don't like to see obvious repairs on any bow. I'd rather just start over and make another one. JMO....
-
OK, Dana, I hear ya. I would glue it down, note where it is with some marks on the belly, back it and then wrap it starting an inch or 2 before and continuing to a inch or 2 after. I would choose a quick and easy backing like silk, burlap or linen. That's what I would do. Then I'd put it up in the rafters because shooting a bow like that would give me pause. :) Jawge
-
DanaM,
i didnt know your shoulder was injured and going to go through a surgery...
i hope all turns out well i will put in some nee mail and tell the boys to do the same... let us know how your surgery goes... when will you be having it????
-
Talked with the surgeon yesterday and it looks like some physical therapy, apears I have some shoulder muscles
that are atrophied. Most likely cause is a comination of a less than stellar rotator cuff surgery and some surgery I had
on my neck when I was 3 years old, figures they hit a nerve for some muscles in the shoulder ??? He said there is a surgery he could
perform but doesn't recomment it as it requires moving some muscles from somewhere else. So I will do my PT and hope for the best :)
Shooter, I'm not going to send this bow to ya, don't want anyone getting hurt. I will start on a replacement but it may take a little while.
I have nice dry piece of hard maple, I'll go for a rigid handle 50#@28" :)