Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: George Tsoukalas on December 11, 2008, 08:00:01 pm
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She's 60 in. ntn. 53# at 26 inches. She started with an inch of natural reflex and now has 3/4 in. of follow. The top limb and bottom limbs have a prop twist with the top's more pronounced. The tip fo the top limb is rather narrow because that's the way the stave was. The bottom limb is a bit snaky.
Let me have it. Both barrels! Jawge
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/Jawge/Stick/IMG_2465.jpg)
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That was the braced picture.
Unbraced.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/Jawge/Stick/IMG_2468.jpg)
Tip of top limb with the pronounced prop twist.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/Jawge/Stick/IMG_2474.jpg)
Tip of bottom limb.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/Jawge/Stick/IMG_2475.jpg)
Full draw- one side.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/Jawge/Stick/IMG_2471.jpg)
Other side.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/Jawge/Stick/IMG_2473.jpg)
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Stick is tillered to bend in the fades and in the handle. The handle dimensions are 1 inch thick and 1.25 in wide. Jawge
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Here are the beginnings of the lower limb. Jawge
http://georgeandjoni.home.comcast.net/~georgeandjoni/layout.html
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You never let that prop. twist scare you. ;) The tiller looks really good to me. The limbs seem to be bending in a really nice arc. No hinges or flat spots that I can see.
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Nice and perfect ;D How far is the arrow Pointed to the left George? Phillip
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Looks great to me, but the top limb looks a little stiffer- however I think that's just my imagination. Looks like a real stick-slinger :)!
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Looking great to me. I like the tiller pointing to the left the best. I think the background is more clear.
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Thanks, Rick. No props don't scare me.mThanks, AK. The arrow points to the left a bit but it doesn't matter as I point the arrow at the target. I did rasp that area a little to bring it over. Just a little 'cause the handle bends so I had to be careful with that. Thanks, Keegan. That's the tip with a twist and it's really narrow so I tried to limit the bending. Note that you get 2 different views of the tiller depending on the side. Thanks, Jesse. Thank you but y'all don't have to be so nice. Let me have it. Jawge
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looks like another good one for the books jawge....
8)
jamie
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I wouild recognize those sweats anywhere >:D
Keep us posted on this fine bow.
Ummm, what kind of wood is this? ???
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It's hickory, Oldbow. Thanks. Jawge
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wow trying to critique you thats a tuffie,but here goes
even though it has prop twist i would have to agree with kegan,the top limb does look a little stiff,flip and use it for the bottom if ya can.other than that i would say
"hope my hick bow with slight prop twist turns out that nice".
once again jawge, nice looking bow.
is that pignut hickory? looks to be the same as what mine is.
peace,
tim
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Thanks, Michbowguy and Sailordad. Thanks for the critique, Sailordad. Jawge
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Nice Tiller, look's great, Jawge! ;) But a bow with 3/4" follow will shoot slow and you need to be carefull if the limbs are twisted like a propeller. And there is some kind of brown looking stain, or something, on the back. Do you think that might jeopardize the integrity of the bow? Also, what kind of wood is it?
Other than that, it looks cool to me. ;D
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Nice bow well done and I like the those stalking shoes.Ron ;D
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mullet, that's 3/4 " (0.75") of follow which is less than an inch. The wood is hickory. The brown is some cambium I left on. Should be fine. Thanks for the critique. Jawge
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cracker, thanks. Yup, I stalk around my house with them. LOL. Jawge
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Jawge, you asked for both barrels? The bow looked so good, I was scraping to load both of them.
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LOL, Mullet. I thought you saw 3-4 inches of follow. :) Jawge
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LOL. The joy of retirement and Ouzo. ;)
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Your sweats don't match! :o Other than that it looks pretty good Jawge. ;)
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mullet, when I finish a bow that's my traditional toast. But It's not done yet so no Ouzo bow yet. Ryan, that's the beauty of sweats. They don't have to match. Thanks, guys. Jawge
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Very nice George, Critique your work and with both barrels? I'm with Eddie. I think we would have to did real deep ::) But if you really want it I'll just try for one barrel cause you got allot more YEARS of experience then I do. ::)
Looks like the tips could lose a little weight. Though I like slightly stiff tips it looks like a little extra mass that isn't really working and might be robbing some performance. ;)
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60", stiff handle, white wood, and only 3/4" follow - that's seems like a good outcome to me. Nice work George.
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Nice job Jawges,good to see you post one once in a while.Tiller looks good,should make meat.
Well done. :) I like white wood and you do a fine job bringing out the best in it. :)
Pappy
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Hmmm pretty tough to find any thing to critique Jawge, but here goes. No front profile picture :o and yer pictures are a little fuzzy ;)
Other than that she looks great and I don't think she needs to worry about becoming a tomato stake :) :P Looking forward to pictures when
its completely done.
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Man george... it is hard to find anything wrong with your bows.....
the braced profile looks perfect.
studying hard.... it looks to me like it is just a little stiff in the upper limb right by the corner of the window in the right facing shot.... but could be just the pic.
nice job... I think she is a shooter just as she is.
wade
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Looks plenty good enough to me Jawge, except I think you're trying to sneak a new pair of sweats in on us-those don't look like the same Original Official Full Draw Sweatpants. ;D
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LOL, Hillbilly. I figured I'd try. I knew you'd notice the new sweats. n2, thanks. I might take a scrape or 2 on the upper tip but I have to watch it because of the twist and because of how narrow it is. Thanks, Dana. Pappy, thanks. Ole Jawge doesn't make as may as he used to. Thanks, Gordon. She shoots well. She does bend a bit in the handle and through the fades. Thanks, Keenan. That bottom tip had a bit of a deflex and the top is twisted so I'm not sure how much wood I want to take from them but I'll check it out. Jawge
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That's a good -lookin' stick George.Great tiller as always.Looks like it's ready to shoot in and finish. Merry Christmas, God Bless
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Thanks, Pete. Glad you like it. Jawge
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Hi Jawge,
I'm in late on this one. I was thinking the limbs bent too much right out of the fades, but I felt better after you description of the tiller--intentionally getting extra bend there and in the handle.
In that case, it looks good and ought to be fast. It has what Dan Perry calls "high gear limbs."
The upper limb does not look stiffer to me. If anything, the other way. I'd keep the bow the way you have it, as far as which is the top.
Nice work as always.
Jim
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I'd be glad to get one tillered like that. Good job.
John
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Thank you, Okie and Jim. Yes, I intentionally wanted the handle bending a bit and I wanted the fades to bend. It does have fades. It's 60 in. ntn so I figured I needed those areas to bend. This design is capable of quite a bit if energy storage. Tillering out prop twists can be tricky. You can get a different picture of the tiller depending on the side you look at. The feedback is good, positive or negative, though, everyone, so let me have it. Jawge
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George,
I think giving you tillering advice would be like being a back seat driver with Mario Andretti! ;D
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Hmmmm....George, I can't critique the tillering on your bow (looks good to me) but may I ask some questions?
-I like the idea of the bending of the handle and fades, like a holmeguard bow.....but do you think most of the set is occurring close to the handle? Wouldn't this slow the bow down? 3/4" of set is almost negligible though....
-The bow is 60" long with a 26" draw....do you think it might be a little long (with limbs that are a bit heavy) considering the handle is not entirely static?
-Looks like the brace height is about 6". That would mean the power stroke is something like 20". This would make the overall speed slower than a traditional 28" draw with a 6" brace height (22" power stroke). Have you designed the bow to compensate for this? (e.g., a high initial draw weight?)
-Have you clocked the speed? Overall, I think the bow will be a little slow...and have a bit of hand shock....just my uneducamated opinion. ;D
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Jack, thank you. No the set is occurring mid limb on. The bow is very light. It's actually around 11.5 ounces. I actually like my bows a bit longer 62-66 in. nock to nock which is why I designed it to bend in the handle and fades. The brace is not set yes. That's part of the tuning process. But it is around 5.75 to 6 inches. No chrono but the bow is actually pretty fast and shoots an arrow with good-excellent cast. The stave had an inch of reflex and probably has 3/4 inch of follow now. Anything under 2 inches of follow and I'm happy.
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adb, thanks for the compliment but the feedback is good. We can all learn from each other. Jawge
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Hi Jawge, Your bow looks real good as usual, I posted this earlier, but I think it vanished. Hopefully you will be back out here soon to enjoy a little sunshine and stave poaching ;)!
rich
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Thanks, Rich. Hopefully, we'll be out again. That was nice seeing you. I'm going to have to make a bow when I get there on the next trip. Jawge
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looks great- im loving the snaky limb, and the nocks are wider than i thought to be- but they obviously work just as well! great work, just one question, do you prefer a wider nock, or was that just the stave's doing? again, looking foward to seeing more work. -jimmy
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ballista, thanks; when I work a character stave I leave the nocks wide to allow me to track the string better on the handle. If the string is off one side of the handle I'll cut that side in deeper to bring the string to the middle more. These nocks are 1/2 inch right at the groove and 3/4 in below the groove. Because one tip is deflexed and one is narrow I think I will leave them as is. Those measurements are pretty typical of my nocks. But no I am not a fan of narrow nocks. Jawge