Hey Bob. Ya these boys are still alive and well. Both shoot super nice. The one pictured with the weird Massey finish was the one I had intended to bring to the flat to test out. It had very impressive speeds. The other one also shot equally well but was slightly heavier if I recall was around 55lbs. I recall it was in the low to mid 190’s fps with same 500grain arrow. Just a touch faster as expected. I did a video on these somewhere too I’ll have to dig it up if I can find it. It may have been on a different phone maybe. I also did a stain job experiment on the second one that was a camo pattern but was not happy with it and was kinda embarrassing actually. I may have sand it off and do something else. I’ll post a pic or two and I’m sure you’ll see what I mean.