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Offline PatrickH

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First set of self arrows, Lilac with Goosefeathers
« on: July 03, 2021, 01:18:35 pm »
So my store bought cedar shafts are getting old and started breaking, and a self bow needed self arrows. I decided on using lilac stems, I read they would be more durable than my cedar shafts (though a lot heavier) and I have a lilac hedge running the length of my house so they are free.

Lilac hedge up close (no flowers here on the shaded side of the house but its lilac)

208783434_1961162834047340_5648266350614910575_n by patrick holmes, on Flickr

I cut a dozen appropriately sized stems (all of em quite twisted and bent unfortunately) here is a photo of a few of them.

211442431_936650813851784_4696908343200245069_n by patrick holmes, on Flickr

I sealed the ends with glue and bundled them together. Each night while watching TV I would take em out of the bundle and hand straighten them for about an hour and then rebundle them. After about a week of drying and straightening I scraped the bark off and ran them through a board with a 1/2in hole scraping off whatever was too big to fit through. Then straightened them and bundled them back up together. Each day moving them through another 16th smaller hole and straightening them and bundling them back together.

211135622_552813019226297_3995532794621020320_n by patrick holmes, on Flickr

When I got them down to 3/8in and uniform their length I switched to scraping em with a cabinet scraper until the knock end was tapered down to about 9/32in at the knock and 11/32in at the head.(this seemed to give me about the correct spine, after some test shots with an experimental arrow)

Then I took them and heat straightened them over a heat gun and hardened the whole arrow with heat (it also gave it a kind of camo
 finish which I liked.)

210675257_344373057247781_6956342137140848720_n by patrick holmes, on Flickr

Getting the spine right for each one took a bit of work removing bits of wood/fire hardening sections until they all shot fine with duct tape fletching for trial shots. I added some cheap 145grain blunts from 3rivers that I like for target shooting (they are durable and don't bury in the grass very often) They are just held on by friction with no glue for now (I figured I could switch out the blunts for broad heads of the same weight come hunting season if they survive that long) I fletched em with some cheap goose feathers from Amazon, I might use better feathers with my next batch but figured for my first trial run at self arrows its best not to buy a whole turkey wing and mess em all up. I dont have pictures of me fletching them, but it would just be pictures of me swearing with my fingers super glued to the feathers anyway lol. I sealed them with polyurethane. They all weigh around 630-640 grains total arrow weight which comes out to about 11gpp (58lbs draw). They are all made for a 25in draw length. I hope you guys like em, let me know if you have any advice. They seem to be more durable and better spined than the store bought cedar shafts I was shooting which makes me really happy, I'll never waste money on store bought ones again when I can make free ones from my backyard lol.

204232384_782928579086005_8117872815194497380_n by patrick holmes, on Flickr

209349039_1437303556621305_612116559332333551_n by patrick holmes, on Flickr

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Offline PatrickH

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Re: First set of self arrows, Lilac with Goosefeathers
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2021, 01:21:46 pm »
Oh, and the bindings are just with cheap bcy string material, maybe in the future I will use sinew but for now its what I had on hand.
Muskegon Mi.

Offline burchett.donald

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Re: First set of self arrows, Lilac with Goosefeathers
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2021, 02:06:13 pm »
  Patrick,
              Excellent work there man...Nice to see somebody put in that meticulous work/time on spine...Adjusting each shaft to your personal bow...Now that's what I call Self Arrows...Love the Goose feathers also  )P(
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Genesis 27:3 Now therefore take, I pray thee, thy weapons, thy quiver and thy bow, and go out to the field, and take me some venison;

Offline NMSP-107

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Re: First set of self arrows, Lilac with Goosefeathers
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2021, 06:26:41 pm »
You did a great job! :OK

Offline Stixnstones

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Re: First set of self arrows, Lilac with Goosefeathers
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2021, 08:50:57 pm »
I see absolutely nothing wrong with those. It's cool to see someone take on the challenge of arrow building. Believe me I wobble back and forth with store bought and goin for a walk in the wood and harvest some shafts to work on for awhile... nice work
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Offline Pat B

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Re: First set of self arrows, Lilac with Goosefeathers
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2021, 08:59:08 pm »
A little extra work but the satisfaction overrides that. Well done.   :OK
Make the most of all that comes and the least of all that goes!    Pat Brennan  Brevard, NC

Offline Trapper Rob

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Re: First set of self arrows, Lilac with Goosefeathers
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2021, 10:15:21 pm »
Good looking arrows

Offline Swampman

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Re: First set of self arrows, Lilac with Goosefeathers
« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2021, 08:54:18 am »
Very nice work.  Lilac is tough so those arrows should last for you. 

Offline Hawkdancer

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Re: First set of self arrows, Lilac with Goosefeathers
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2021, 02:04:14 pm »
Nice work! Put your mark on them!
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Offline boomhowzer

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Re: First set of self arrows, Lilac with Goosefeathers
« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2021, 08:44:14 am »
Those are sweet! I love the burn marks and how the top tie goes all the way from the feather to the base of the nock. They look dead straight too. Great work!
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Offline PatrickH

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Re: First set of self arrows, Lilac with Goosefeathers
« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2021, 04:48:06 pm »
Thanks everyone! Hawkdancer thats a good point I need to add some cresting of some kind!
Muskegon Mi.

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Re: First set of self arrows, Lilac with Goosefeathers
« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2021, 05:40:22 pm »
Well done Patrick.Your straightening process from green to dried shafts is about like the way I do my natural shafts.I stay after them till I have them straight.Rebundle/straighten etc. etc.
Your mass weight/spine/and diameter on lilac is about what my plum are here.Excellent hunting arrows.
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Offline StickMark

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Re: First set of self arrows, Lilac with Goosefeathers
« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2021, 01:19:36 pm »
People like to touch and see the primitive self and sinew bows.
But "home made shoot" arrows, that really impresses them, especially when they see how one goes from bendy shoot to dried, straight (enuf) arrow shaft.

Nice work. Life is too short to hunt with ugly weapons.


Offline jeffp51

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Re: First set of self arrows, Lilac with Goosefeathers
« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2021, 08:57:37 pm »
Do you have any issues with them staying straight?  I made some lilac arrows and found they bent every time I hit a target with one