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Offline Hawkdancer

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Re: Spokeshave ?
« Reply #15 on: December 22, 2020, 11:09:11 am »
I reckon there more than one way to skin a cat!  Or more than one way to take a bow to fine finish.  I used my Buck 119 hunting knife for the heavy scraping and furniture set for finishing on the first bow.
Worked for me, at least on the hickory.  Whatever works for you, do keep it sharp!
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Offline Hamish

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« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2020, 03:24:19 pm »
Mad Max . A normal spokeshave with osage = lots of tear out. Much can be avoided by using a high angle spokeshave. The angle of the blade is around 60 deg( a regular spokeshave45 deg). The blade can be flipped over, bevel up and you can get an even higher angle scraper for really tricky grain.
The only company making these tools that I am aware of at the moment is HNT Gordon Planes. They are expensive, but very well made, and great quality. They are wedged like a wooden plane(no adjuster), but are very easy to set up.

Offline JW_Halverson

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« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2020, 09:32:27 pm »
I am gonna go on record saying that the single most versatile tool in my box is the Veritas spokeshave from Lee Valley Tools. Not cheap, but you get a choice of tool steels (A2 and O1) for the blade and it comes viciously sharp. The body is of a higher grade cast iron steel, and does not shatter like the cheap versions from other sources. When properly sharpened, it rarely tears out grain unless you are in swirling grain around a knot.

The bed for the blade is machined dead flat, so the blade is fixed in place with only a little pressure. Cheapies like Stanley/etc are anything but flat and you need to crank it tight to keep the blade from slipping around. A well bedded blade also does not chatter as much.

Most people seem to put the blades in UPSIDE DOWN! Bevel down gives you a much sharper cutting angle and parts hard and soft woods much nicer.

I'll set my blade deep and use my forearms to keep the tool wedded to the stave to hog off thick shavings, but I can also fine tune it down to split cigarette papers three ways, too.

Like any tool, you have to learn how it operates and how to make best use of it. You cannot go at it like John Belushi, Samurai bowyer, in the throes of a cocaine fueled epileptic fit and expect decent results. Granted, it is a poor workman that blames the tool, but you notice they do not build high tech communications satellites with a selection of rocks and a bent screwdriver, either.
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Offline Hamish

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Re: Spokeshave ?
« Reply #18 on: December 22, 2020, 09:51:26 pm »
JW I have the Veritas spokeshave as well. Its an excellent tool, but for really tough stuff like osage or tropical hardwoods, the HNT Gordon performs even better.

I haven't used a Veritas scraper shave yet, but it looks really good, like a Bowyers Edge tool. Once you get past a spokehave for general tillering, a scraper shave type tool is the best for fine tuning.

Offline Hawkdancer

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« Reply #19 on: December 23, 2020, 12:21:27 am »
Somebody slipped the "Bowyer's Edge Tool" into the conversation when I wasn't tuned in!  What the heck is that?  I know planes, draw knives, hatchets, scrapers, sandpaper, and hunting knives, but not a Bowyer Edge Tool! :BB (lol)!  Btw, I am an elder fart - not old, just elder >:D (lol) (lol)!
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« Reply #20 on: December 23, 2020, 12:25:56 am »
I'll admit to being a noob boyer, but I've been working wood with mostly handtools since mid 70's.  So I'll add this:

A low angle cutting tool (plane, spokeshave, drawknife used in conventional fashion) works great as long as very carefully adjusted and very sharp.  Even then, when encountering knots or fiddleback, crotch, etc. where grain is opposite cutting direction, they will often tear out the wood or hang-up.  Again, if VERY sharp and well tuned (it's not just blade depth but also throat adjustment/size, chip breaker, etc.), it'll work, but it's very easy to take a big chunk out.

A scraping tool is actually much like a miniature plane (at least a rolled edge scraper is) and they can be incredibly effective in removing long shavings from the gnarliest of woods.  If they do 'dig' it's usually pretty minor and no real tear-out occurs.  My almost 40yr old Sandvik scraper is still my go-to tool for fine wood removal.  In instrument making I learned NEVER to use sandpaper, and all finishing was done with that scraper.

Just so :)
What he said ^

Relatively new to me, is using a drawknife by dragging back of blade as a scraper.  In past I would never have 'abused' a cutting edge that way, but I'm currently finding it as the best option for tillering my first (Osage) bow :-))  That said, I'm finding that I always finish up with cabinet scraper.

The one downside of scrapers (excepting those held in plane-like handle) is that you can get waviness.  Pretty much with all cutting tools, I learned to push the edge through the material at an angle (even planes).  So there is some slicing action, and if there are ripples, I just change angle to span the ripples (rotate in opposite direction).

Anyway... just my humble attempt at contributing :P

Offline Hamish

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« Reply #21 on: December 23, 2020, 01:31:39 am »
Hawkdancer, The Bowyers Edge was a tool that  the late great Dean Torges sold, first as a ready to go tool, then as a kit that you assembled and shaped. Its basically a wooden spokeshave body, with a brass sole/mouth, that hold a small scraper blade. Even though Dean is no longer with use, the B E  is still advertised for sale on his website, so they could still be available, $65 +sh.

There used to be a bunch of guys that made something similar. There may still be something out there, but like many small companies they go bust, or stop advertising a particular tool when it doesn't get enough sales. The Veritas scraper shave looks to be the closest tool to a Bowyers Edge, if you can't grab an original.

Offline Dances with squirrels

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« Reply #22 on: December 23, 2020, 04:18:39 am »
They're still selling the Bowyer's Edge and some other things on Dean's site, at least they were several months ago. I bought a new one because mine has seen it's better days. You don't have to assemble it. It comes assembled, always did I think. The handle is square though and you can shape it if you like, how you like. I left mine square all those years. Maybe I'll shape this new one.

By the way, I contacted Lie Nielsen about the Boggs spokeshave and they got back to me yesterday, said it isn't discontinued, just currently out of stock. Check back later. I believe it's similar to the Veritas. I may give them a month or so and try again, but I'm going to get one or the other soon.

I like good traditional style hand tools  :OK
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Offline Dances with squirrels

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Re: Spokeshave ?
« Reply #23 on: December 23, 2020, 04:35:31 am »
Speaking of nice hand tools... check out the spokeshaves and hand planes at Scott Meek Woodworks (dot) com. I really like the osage spokeshave.
Straight wood may make a better bow, but crooked wood makes a better bowyer

Offline Hawkdancer

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Re: Spokeshave ?
« Reply #24 on: December 23, 2020, 03:27:40 pm »
Hamish,
Dean's website would be DeanTorges.com, or something similar?
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Offline Hamish

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Re: Spokeshave ?
« Reply #25 on: December 23, 2020, 03:42:54 pm »
Hawk, bowyersedge.com   tools and stock section.

Offline willie

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Re: Spokeshave ?
« Reply #26 on: December 23, 2020, 09:30:45 pm »


show us your home made spokeshaves, bow making planes or card holders. I would take a pic of mine, but it's sixty mile away.  Just a saw cut in a piece of oak to hold a small card.

I need to experiment more with the angle to dress the edge with before rolling the hook. does most every one make it square to start?

Offline Hamish

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Re: Spokeshave ?
« Reply #27 on: December 23, 2020, 11:52:33 pm »
Willie, With a scraper shave type tool all the blades are beveled, not 90deg like a card scraper.

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Re: Spokeshave ?
« Reply #28 on: December 24, 2020, 02:44:07 am »
a fairly steep bevel with no hook?

Offline Hamish

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Re: Spokeshave ?
« Reply #29 on: December 24, 2020, 03:40:31 am »
I use 35 deg for most of my scraper shaves. No hook. I think the steel is harder than usual scraper steel,(A2 tool steel?) about 60 rockwell, so I don't roll a burr/hook. I haven't found it necessary.

The Bowyers Edge comes with an ingenious, but simple sharpening jig. Adjust the angle by a single screw, that rides on the sharpening stone.  I must say it works really well. Dean really knew his stuff. The bevel angle is steeper maybe 50 deg, and the steel is like a regular scraper and you can roll a burr for a more aggressive cut.