String angle

[willie]

    The recurve still has a significant advantage because it is effectively shorter early in the draw and gets longer as you draw it further .

DC, is this what you hoped to discuss?

[PatM]

  I just want to hear George's explanation of how recurving lowers string angles while simultaneously increasing them and then I'll move on.

[George Tsoukalas]

DC, I looked at it fast I would go right to the limb.
PatM, recurving lowers string angles.
When did I say it increases them?
Jawge

[PatM]

When you showed where you could measure the string angle for a recurve.    That angle is larger for a recurve.  Actually measure it.
   
 If it decreasesstring angles then it seems reasonable to show HOW, no?  To do that you need to let go the line bridging the limb and the recurve as a reference point because it lies to you.

[George Tsoukalas]

Pat, those diagrams were for illustrative purposes.
They are very similar to what the string angle would be at  brace...not full draw.
At full draw, string angle is small in a recurve.
I don't have to measure it. I can see it with my eyes. Jawge

[PatM]

Pat, those diagrams were for illustrative purposes.
They are very similar to what the string angle would be at  brace...not full draw.
At full draw, string angle is small in a recurve.
I don't have to measure it. I can see it with my eyes. Jawge

 Aaaargh!   There's a whole bunch of pictures showing full draw on here.  Draw your connecting line like the first pic (where you insist it is measured only) and measure the angle. It's over 90 degrees.

[DC]

  I think DC has an answer but doesn't want to accept it.

All I wanted to know was if it was the red one or the blue one. It was knowledge I thought I might need for thinking more about the whole recurve thing.

[PatM]

   You tried  but these threads always get mired by people more into definitions and nomenclature than the actual mechanics of what others are trying to understand.

  It's like when someone asks how much one inch of set is slowing his bow and he gets six pages of the difference between set and string follow and not a single response of "about 2 fps".

[DC]

it's all good though. Things like this make people think, that can't ever be bad.

[George Tsoukalas]

Exactly! The drawings are not accurate! Recurving decreases string angle at full draw. I've said that several times. Jawge

[PatM]

I can't believe this....  Pick the most accurate drawing or do one yourself and measure along the line you insist is the only one.

 Just show us how you are getting a lower angle measuring that way.

[George Tsoukalas]

I would measure the angle  from string to recurve. How would you measure it?
Look at some real bows, Pat. Not the drawings.
Jawge

[PatM]

  Most of the diagrams quite adequately illustrate the angles.   A real bow will still show the same mechanics and angles even if to a more or less degree. The relation between the two will not change.

 Just show where you are measuring to on the recurve.  Go with one with a sharp angle at the "elbow" to make things more definite.

 

 

 

[George Tsoukalas]

Pat, I've described and shown how I measure by referencing the drawings several times in previous posts. Please go back and reread them.
I don't know what else to say that I haven't said.
Please measure the string angle the way you would like too.
It really does not matter as long as you are consistent between different types of bows.
Jawge

[PatM]

     Unreal.