New Turkish 48 inch

[loon]

what if one uses poplar or pine or something for the tips and kasan sections instead, for more lightweight bows?

[mikekeswick]

what if one uses poplar or pine or something for the tips and kasan sections instead, for more lightweight bows?

How many old bows do you see with pine tips!?!

[mikekeswick]

Here are the force/draw numbers - 10.6#@10 , 20.2#@12 , 26.1#@14 , 30#@16 , 34.4#@18 , 38.3#@20 , 42.2#@22 , 47.8#@24 , 53.3#@26 , 61.6#@28

[Urufu_Shinjiro]

The only non-asiatic bows that interest me are the English war bows, and with the technique they use during the draw I can see shooting 100+ lbs with those, but man I can't imagine drawing a 100lb turkish bow. I can draw my 50lb manchu all day no problem but I can tell much more than that and I would start to struggle, lol.

[sleek]

Well, I got my osage sinew version shooting 174fps with a 571 gr arrow.  Ke is 38.38. I could get more if I built another that hasnt been abused as this one has.

Mike, thanks for letting me hijack your thread.

[BowEd]

Yoowza!!!!That's a fantastic bow Mike.The numbers progess like you want them?I imagine so.....lol.Really gets a jump start in the beginning.Very impressive to say the least.How does it feel to shoot towards the end?Still kinda like a big rubber band?
Looks like your gonna be doing a lot of finish work come this winter.That'll take some time to figure what you want too.You've been steadily cranking fantastic work out there for us to see.Gives everyone something to ponder in the future.Thanks for sharing.

[mikekeswick]

The only non-asiatic bows that interest me are the English war bows, and with the technique they use during the draw I can see shooting 100+ lbs with those, but man I can't imagine drawing a 100lb turkish bow. I can draw my 50lb manchu all day no problem but I can tell much more than that and I would start to struggle, lol.

Yes I know what you mean...a lot of the old bows in the Topaki museum are even heavier than 100#. I guess years of training would take care of that.

Beadman - yes the numbers are nice! It feels great to shoot, as you say heavy initially then like a 45#er the rest of the way It doesn't stack until about 29 1/2 - 30. Me and a few friends shoot at about 200yds in a field we have and it constantly surprises me how little evevation it needs to make the distance You can see why they put the effort into making these bows back in the day.

[stuckinthemud]

Just to go 'off piste' a little, if this (Turkish) style of hornbow only comes into its own at +100#, what style would you suggest works well for a -45# light-weight horn bow?

[BowEd]

Just with that slight elevation would be something to see at 200 yards.Make ya kinda stop inbetween shots and look at that bow huh.....lol.Trouble is you have to carry binoculars to see where you hit right????Is 40 degrees roughly the standard elevation for the longest distance attempts?

[mikekeswick]

Just to go 'off piste' a little, if this (Turkish) style of hornbow only comes into its own at +100#, what style would you suggest works well for a -45# light-weight horn bow?

I made a horn bow that is similar to a holmguaard and it shoots really well @ 60#.


Beadman - my eyes are pretty good but yes no chance of seeing where you have hit...the target makes a good noise so you know if you've hit just not where!
I think it is 43 degs mathematically if memory serves?

So I shot my Turkish bow with a 570 grain or 9 gpp arrow and the speed averages out at 196 fps. I shot some carbons through it and was getting 225 - 230fps...will have to check their weights though as I can't remember now!

[sleek]

Which bow was giving you those speeds mike?

[loon]

do you know what wood the lighter puta or other training target bows used for the tips/kasan? same as war bows?

[mikekeswick]

Which bow was giving you those speeds mike?

The blue and black 48 incher, the one that this thread was started for. It's a shame I don't have any longer arrows suitable for it...as I said before this bow at 48 inch should really be shot at 30. You would see the performance rise again @ 30.

[mikekeswick]

do you know what wood the lighter puta or other training target bows used for the tips/kasan? same as war bows?

Maple. Also these bows would have slightly degraded performance as they were tillered to bend a lot in the inner limbs. This would lead to set there but also easy stringing and drawing (due to the different leverage). The species of wood isn't really important other than not using a very dense wood.