The Results Are In

[Zuma]

For those interested

[Zuma]

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[willie]

Zuma-

I must have been asleep for thirty years, but has there been some controversy that needed to be resolved? I thought that most people accepted the premise that NA came from the west?

[Zuma]

Zuma-

I must have been asleep for thirty years, but has there been some controversy that needed to be resolved? I thought that most people accepted the premise that NA came from the west?

Well, asleep may be one way of putting it.
"Most people" may be a point of contention.
Ya see there are a bunch of folks that think in terms of Pre Clovis.
Not to mention the Solutrean Connection Hype.
This paper challenges all that via DNA and pretty solid time frames.
So it's pretty much a Clovis First deal again. Period
Is that what you see in the data? It's more about "when"
more than from "where".
Zuma

[willie]

to be honest, Zuma, the explanation went way over my head. I hoped that you might shed some light on the discussion so that the average joe could understand. One in a while I look in in on some of the threads that discuss this topic, but get lost in the jargon of the posters that expostulate one way or another. If this is not the time or place for a primer, I can understand, but I thought that by bringing it to the campfire forum, you might want to interpret a little

thx

[Zuma]

Sure willie, no problem. I have been studding this
subject for many years.
Basically what it is saying--- is that DNA studies are consistent
 with a Single migration model for all Native Americans.
(This is consistent with the Clovis First Camp.  zuma)
It is supported by the DNA research from Asia,
Siberia, and the Native American populations of North and South America.
In other words, there is no human DNA found in the Americas that dates
prior to 13 thousand years ago.
Hope that helps
Zuma

[willie]

Zuma

sound reasonable to me. I guess I couldn't quite understand why it is important make these distinctions. Are there present day consequences that depend on making accurate determinations, or is this study of history more of an academic curiosity?

willie

[Zuma]

willie you asked--" Are there present day consequences that depend on making accurate determinations, or is this study of history more of an academic curiosity?"

Back in the day Archaeology was a discipline. 
Today it's more of a free for all with very little accountability.
I guess a mirror of society. LOL
Most times persons involved are sort of a fraternity
like lawyers and doctors, never turning on one another
no matter what.
Well, that is until some in the profession steps on another's toes
or start taking money out of others accounts. lol
There is big, big money in books, lectures, TV and movie productions etc.
Do a search of your own. It's endless.
But we are seeing the brakes applied more lately since there
is work that now calls  the bluff of the bluffers. 
Here is a tiny taste.

Clovis culture - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clovis_culture

[edit]. Main article: Settlement of the Americas. Known as "Clovis First," the predominant hypothesis among ...





NOVA | Explore Pre-Clovis Sites - PBS
www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/ancient/explore-pre-clovis-sites.html - Similarto NOVA | Explore Pre-Clovis Sites - PBS
Explore Pre-Clovis Sites. By Robson Bonnichsen and Robert Lassen; Posted 11.09.04; NOVA. When did

humans first arrive in the Americas? For decades, the  ...







Solutrean hypothesis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solutrean_hypothesis

The Solutrean hypothesis claims that Ice Age Europeans crossed the North Atlantic ..... "The Solutrean-Clovis connection : reply to Straus, Meltzer and Goebel".

Characteristics - Atlantic crossing - Genetic research - Archaeological and ...

[willie]

interesting reading, Zuma

and interesting observations.........

[Zuma]

interesting reading, Zuma

and interesting observations.........

It may have something to do with my stint at Clovis AFB
back in 1965 lol
Also I have had many terrific mentors. Some actually still alive,
Zuma

[Zuma]

Willie, I dug this one out from 2008.
This is where things were then. It is a good
resourse and neat to compare it to the latest
article.
Gobble ,gobble
Zuma


The Late Pleistocene Dispersal of Modern Humans in the ... - ...

www.sciencemag.org  › Home  › 14 March 2008

Mar 14, 2008 ... Home; > Science Magazine; > 14 March 2008; > Goebel et al., 319 (5869): 1497- 1502 ... The Late Pleistocene Dispersal of Modern Humans in the Americas ... Molecular genetic diversity among modern Native Americans fits within five mtDNA (A, B, .... humans from Siberia to Beringia during the late glacial.