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Offline punch

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dimensions for mollie?
« on: July 08, 2015, 11:03:42 pm »
I haven't built a bow in awhile so it's time to start again. This is actually two questions since I will be building two bows.  I need to make a 25#ish bow for my wife and a 55# to 60# for myself.   My wife is 5'3" with a 23" draw. What dimensions would you recommend.   I have a 30-31" draw how long should I make my bow. I was planning on using maple lumber.   This will be my first time making a mollie.   

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Re: dimensions for mollie?
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2015, 12:08:46 am »
Punch, send half eye a PM and I'm confident he will help you.  He is very knowledgeable about Mollegabet bows and how to design them....great guy too.
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Re: dimensions for mollie?
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2015, 01:02:03 am »
I always go with 10" levers nowadays, good length for lateral stability at low width. No taper in the working limbs so every inch should bend the same as the next. Count the levers as part of the working limb, yes they put more stress on the inner than bendy outer limbs but not by so much that I've had to build them any longer than my other shorties.

If you rough out the belly with a hatchet or machete start at one fade and work toward the middle of the working limb, then finish from the other fade. I usually start with the grip end and finish with the lever end.

I make my outer fades 1" long and they taper to about the width of my thumb at the base of the levers. I start my width taper an inch or two from the base and worth the tips down to about 1/4" by the time I'm at low brace, a bit less when it's all said and done. I work down the thickness after establishing width a few scrapes at a time, checking the brace and draw until there's just the tiniest hint of bend at the base of the levers.

Overlays are essential and in my book side nocks are just unnecessary weight.

It might not be completely true to the artifact but we don't actually have all that much of the bow  >:D
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Re: dimensions for mollie?
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2015, 06:29:21 am »
Depends on what wood your using?  ???  And are both for target shooting? Or ya gonna use yours to hunt??  ???

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Re: dimensions for mollie?
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2015, 09:04:57 am »

It might not be completely true to the artifact but we don't actually have all that much of the bow  >:D
The more recent discovery is much more complete and confirms the speculation as to the typical shape.

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« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2015, 09:35:06 am »
Nobody knows lever bows like Blackhawk. That hurt me to say :) , but its true as Ive seen way too many examples in way too many varieties of wood. 
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« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2015, 09:48:45 am »
Nobody knows lever bows like Blackhawk. That hurt me to say :) , but its true as Ive seen way too many examples in way too many varieties of wood.

Don't hurt me one bit to say it
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Re: dimensions for mollie?
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2015, 11:54:13 am »
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The more recent discovery is much more complete and confirms the speculation as to the typical shape.

Huh, I must have missed it. More than the limb portion and base of the lever, or is that the more recent discovery?

Blackhawk has probably made twice as many lever bows as I and seems to post his more often, his post history is a gold mine ;D
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Re: dimensions for mollie?
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2015, 12:13:36 pm »
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The more recent discovery is much more complete and confirms the speculation as to the typical shape.

Huh, I must have missed it. More than the limb portion and base of the lever, or is that the more recent discovery?

Blackhawk has probably made twice as many lever bows as I and seems to post his more often, his post history is a gold mine ;D
Yeah, all of one limb plus the handle and a good portion of the other limb as well.

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Re: dimensions for mollie?
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2015, 12:39:09 pm »
I always go with 10" levers nowadays, good length for lateral stability at low width. No taper in the working limbs so every inch should bend the same as the next. Count the levers as part of the working limb, yes they put more stress on the inner than bendy outer limbs but not by so much that I've had to build them any longer than my other shorties.

If you rough out the belly with a hatchet or machete start at one fade and work toward the middle of the working limb, then finish from the other fade. I usually start with the grip end and finish with the lever end.

I make my outer fades 1" long and they taper to about the width of my thumb at the base of the levers. I start my width taper an inch or two from the base and worth the tips down to about 1/4" by the time I'm at low brace, a bit less when it's all said and done. I work down the thickness after establishing width a few scrapes at a time, checking the brace and draw until there's just the tiniest hint of bend at the base of the levers.

Overlays are essential and in my book side nocks are just unnecessary weight.

It might not be completely true to the artifact but we don't actually have all that much of the bow  >:D
I've never made a Molly, but I was a bit worried by your "no taper in the working limbs" statement...
I felt this can't be right... Google pulled up this old PA thread where Rich (Half Eye) suggest a degree of taper... not a lot, and ... heck I shouldn't be spouting other people's opinion :-[.
Read it yourselves... it made a heap of sense to me. (It's his second post... number 7 I think)
http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php?topic=33491.0
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Offline huisme

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Re: dimensions for mollie?
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2015, 01:00:48 pm »
Whoops, I meant no width taper, I definitely tiller with thickness :o

You can see the taper pretty well here.

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Offline half eye

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Re: dimensions for mollie?
« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2015, 02:59:06 pm »
here ya go....have fun

Offline punch

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Re: dimensions for mollie?
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2015, 03:23:25 pm »
So any suggestions on the width and or length?  I was thinking 68 non but not sure how wide it should be.

Offline bubby

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Re: dimensions for mollie?
« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2015, 04:31:16 pm »
What wood are you useing, personally I'd try and get maple but the wood dictates dimensions
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Offline huisme

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Re: dimensions for mollie?
« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2015, 04:33:45 pm »
Most of my locust molles feel best around or just under 1.5" wide with low crown. 68" for a 28" draw should be fine, even a little longer than I'd go but that's no problem for the molle ;D

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50#@26"
Black locust. Black locust everywhere.
Mollegabets all day long.
Might as well make them short, save some wood to keep warm.