once yah figure out the process its not really to impressive huisme. Theres a lot of good info on this forum that i have researched to help me along the way. I will say this though, they are hell to string. But the side profile is just sweet on them, and they can fling a wicked arrow. Course i've also only been successful with osage in this type of design. Elm and other white woods is a whole different beast all together. Still doing research on those woods.