Thanks Jesse coming from you means an awful lot to me, ya if i found that in a cornfield I would probably crap myself , but you know how the perfectionist stuff works in us, I can do better. thanks for all your help with this one I needed it. One more question if you don't mind, I had a short flute an tryed to re flute an got a reverse flute run from point to end of short flute. I thought that was odd and lucky . Bob